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		<title>By: AndrewPrice</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2009/05/28/thursday-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-1204886</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewPrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks dcase.  I hope that explains it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks dcase.  I hope that explains it.</p>
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		<title>By: dcase</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done. Carefully reasoned and elucidated. Sorry we couldn&#039;t give more than four thumbs up... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done. Carefully reasoned and elucidated. Sorry we couldn&#039;t give more than four thumbs up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sharpshiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharpshiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished watching the interviews with Andrew Breitbart on NRO TV.  Mr. Breitbart, you are a hero to me.  Thank you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished watching the interviews with Andrew Breitbart on NRO TV.  Mr. Breitbart, you are a hero to me.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Growltiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Growltiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Obama doesn&#039;t believe there is anyone wiser than himself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama doesn&#039;t believe there is anyone wiser than himself.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewPrice</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2009/05/28/thursday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-1203554</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewPrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution sits above all state constitutions.  When it grants a right, the state may add to that right, but may never take it away.  For example, if the federal Constitution says that you have a right to fish on Sundays, the state constitution may add to that by giving you a right to fish on Mondays, but it cannot take away your right to fish on Sundays. 
 
It the state law violates the federal Constitution, it will be struck down. 
 
Thus, what this whole Prop 8 thing is about now is whether or not there is some federal right (fishing on Sundays) that is being taken away by the new California law. 
 
There are many more side issues, but this is the heart of the matter.  How&#039;s that? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution sits above all state constitutions.  When it grants a right, the state may add to that right, but may never take it away.  For example, if the federal Constitution says that you have a right to fish on Sundays, the state constitution may add to that by giving you a right to fish on Mondays, but it cannot take away your right to fish on Sundays. </p>
<p>It the state law violates the federal Constitution, it will be struck down. </p>
<p>Thus, what this whole Prop 8 thing is about now is whether or not there is some federal right (fishing on Sundays) that is being taken away by the new California law. </p>
<p>There are many more side issues, but this is the heart of the matter.  How&#039;s that?</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewPrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewPrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this instance, the CA Supreme Court could find that the new amendment is invalid because it conflicts with a superior constitutional right.  But I have never seen such a ruling on a constitutional level (again, laws are a different issue).  Instead, the court will try to get rid of the conflict by &quot;harmonizing&quot; the two, i.e. trying to find an interpretation of the new amendment that does not conflict with the existing constitutional provision.  This makes for strange decisions.  For example, they might conclude that the voters &quot;did not &lt;i&gt;mean&lt;/i&gt; to include Sundays when they used the word &#8216;weekend&#8217;.&quot; 
 
The real constitutional test comes up when the courts look at the amendment in light of the federal Constitution.  Both state courts and federal courts can undertake this kind of analysis.  What happens here is that the court will look at the new law (as interpreted) and ask whether that new law would violate the federal Constitution. 
 
(cont) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this instance, the CA Supreme Court could find that the new amendment is invalid because it conflicts with a superior constitutional right.  But I have never seen such a ruling on a constitutional level (again, laws are a different issue).  Instead, the court will try to get rid of the conflict by &quot;harmonizing&quot; the two, i.e. trying to find an interpretation of the new amendment that does not conflict with the existing constitutional provision.  This makes for strange decisions.  For example, they might conclude that the voters &quot;did not <i>mean</i> to include Sundays when they used the word &lsquo;weekend&rsquo;.&quot; </p>
<p>The real constitutional test comes up when the courts look at the amendment in light of the federal Constitution.  Both state courts and federal courts can undertake this kind of analysis.  What happens here is that the court will look at the new law (as interpreted) and ask whether that new law would violate the federal Constitution. </p>
<p>(cont)</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewPrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewPrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although this sounds simple, it can actually get fairly tricky because some states will require (for example) that a voter approved amendment address &quot;only one issue.&quot;  If the amendment attempts to address multiple issues, it will be struck down on procedural grounds.  But what really constitutes &quot;one issue&quot; is often just a game of semantics. 
 
If you get past the procedural hurdles, then the judges need to figure out how to interpret the new amendment.  This is where a lot of amendments lose their teeth.  If the new amendment is vague or poorly written, it will get gutted. 
 
If it conflicts with an existing constitutional provision, this is where the first &quot;constitutionality&quot; question comes up.  Theoretically, the court could find that one right is simply superior to another.  Consider this example:  The CA Const. has always provided that you have the right to fish on Sunday.  A new amendment says, you can&#039;t fish on weekends. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this sounds simple, it can actually get fairly tricky because some states will require (for example) that a voter approved amendment address &quot;only one issue.&quot;  If the amendment attempts to address multiple issues, it will be struck down on procedural grounds.  But what really constitutes &quot;one issue&quot; is often just a game of semantics. </p>
<p>If you get past the procedural hurdles, then the judges need to figure out how to interpret the new amendment.  This is where a lot of amendments lose their teeth.  If the new amendment is vague or poorly written, it will get gutted. </p>
<p>If it conflicts with an existing constitutional provision, this is where the first &quot;constitutionality&quot; question comes up.  Theoretically, the court could find that one right is simply superior to another.  Consider this example:  The CA Const. has always provided that you have the right to fish on Sunday.  A new amendment says, you can&#39;t fish on weekends. </p>
<p>(cont)</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewPrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewPrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen, you are asking for an essay here -- this is a complex question with a lot of facets.  But, &lt;i&gt;generally&lt;/i&gt; speaking, here&#039;s the deal. . .  
 
First, let&#039;s distinguish between &quot;laws&quot; and amendments to constitutions.  They are two different things.  Laws must conform to the requirements of the constitution, whereas amendments can change the constitution itself. 
 
As dcase suggests, you next need to distinguish between state constitutions and The Constitution.  When dealing with an amendment to a state constitution, you first look at the amendment to determined if its proponents followed all of the right procedures required by state law -- correct number of signatures, voting certifications, etc.  If not, it&#8217;s struck down on procedural grounds. 
 
(cont) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen, you are asking for an essay here &#8212; this is a complex question with a lot of facets.  But, <i>generally</i> speaking, here&#039;s the deal. . .  </p>
<p>First, let&#039;s distinguish between &quot;laws&quot; and amendments to constitutions.  They are two different things.  Laws must conform to the requirements of the constitution, whereas amendments can change the constitution itself. </p>
<p>As dcase suggests, you next need to distinguish between state constitutions and The Constitution.  When dealing with an amendment to a state constitution, you first look at the amendment to determined if its proponents followed all of the right procedures required by state law &#8212; correct number of signatures, voting certifications, etc.  If not, it&rsquo;s struck down on procedural grounds. </p>
<p>(cont)</p>
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		<title>By: debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea where to post this, but has anyone read &quot;The Law&quot; or &quot;That Which is Seen and Not Seen&quot; by Frederick Bastiat. He was French political economist. I just finished reading &quot;The Law&quot; and would love to hear comments from someone else.  It spplies so much to today that at times I would check the date of the publication.  Plus I have a new word, plunder. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea where to post this, but has anyone read &quot;The Law&quot; or &quot;That Which is Seen and Not Seen&quot; by Frederick Bastiat. He was French political economist. I just finished reading &quot;The Law&quot; and would love to hear comments from someone else.  It spplies so much to today that at times I would check the date of the publication.  Plus I have a new word, plunder.</p>
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		<title>By: CCW1970</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCW1970</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the T-shirts BWM sells have it as &quot;bimmer.&quot; But, having had far more mechanical fun than any human should with my old 535i, I think dcase wins it with Bring My Wallet. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the T-shirts BWM sells have it as &quot;bimmer.&quot; But, having had far more mechanical fun than any human should with my old 535i, I think dcase wins it with Bring My Wallet.</p>
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