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Posted May 1st 2009 at 1:12 pm in Entertainment |
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I actually enjoyed it. Make sure you wait for the two extra endings during the credits and after.
These ain't right.
It has to be better than the last one. The last was a festering cinematic turd.
Oh, Slumdog Millionaire is coming to me via Netflix today. Should I lower or raise my expectations? Typically Oscar fare end up being horrible or at best overrated. I'm hoping this is an exception.
Lower your expectations… a lot.
The claw vid gorram awesome!
Ugh. I was afraid of that. At least the woman in there is gorgeous though.
I thought Slumdog was a great movie. It met my expectations, which were rather high. Make sure you actually sit down and watch it, don't just put it in as you go to bed. It's a fast paced movie.
Freida Pinto is gorgeous.
Haven't seen Wolverine yet. It looks good, but the X-Men films aren't my favorite superhero franchise. I'll get around to it.
Just got back from the Wolverine movie and on my personal scale of how good it was, I have to say that I am not upset that I spent the money to see it, but I would not have missed out on any thing waiting for the DVD to come out.
Like all "hero action films" , especially those that give you back round info and the genesis of the good guy and bad guy, there tends to be a lot of story and slow paced action. Child hood story, war montages, tails of romantic love, mild twists and turns, equals lots of dialog, and for any one wondering if Hugh Jackman could carry a blockbuster on his own, the answer is still; not really, but he isn't Ben Aflac in Dare Devil or anything.
Like many cool sounding films with too many familiar characters, their story line is underdeveloped and the B actors they get to fill in make them even more cheesy, Will I Am, WTF?
So like Spider Man 1, Fantastic Four, Transformers, too much action was sacrificed on the Alter of Storyline, and the cast is not strong enough to carry the lines. The action is decent there is a lot of "pseudo action" and a less amount of "kick ass" action, but there is action, please don't get me wrong, just not the quality we expect from the X-Men series, and in that aspect this is far from those solid hero action films.
And did they photo shop Professor X? Can't wait for Terminator….
Indeed Freida Pinto is an absolute knockout, in spite of having a name that sounds like a snack. From what I've seen their actresses in general are all just beautiful. Unfortunately the Indian women I've met in my lifetime have not looked like Freida even remotely.
Long Time Reader, First Time Poster
Well, did Wolvie work for me or not? Kind-of. My first thought was: Except for some Lumberjack co-works and some people in the club gambling and drinking where were the PEOPLE? You know the folks as background? Not just the core players. I was also thinking how hollywood it was that Wolvie's home was parked on a cliff!
THe actions scenes were fine but that's all we really got. Not enough of Ryan either. He was the best thing in Blade 3 as well. He has a snarky way and is fun in action movies. Jackman was fine in the role but was actually to pretty this time. He should have been more scruffy, heck he was in the first X-Men flick.
I could go on about the script but why? I can say this film was better than both F4 movies. I also had two other scenes that bothered me… There is a shot of all the destruction on 3 mile island and correct me if I'm wrong but in the final shot there is still 3, count'em 3 stacks!
THe 2nd scene is really the two during the credits. THe Wolvie one is ok but lackluster and the General one was a headscratcher on so many levels.
I know this is a comic book movie but still… logic is logic right?
I'm either REALLY tired of super-hero films, the greatness of The Dark Knight killed everything, or this pic was the all-time most average entry into the genre.
I think it's a little bit of all that.
Wolverine plugged along on a very muddled script that wasn't helped by a couple unnecessary changes to the source material.
For example:
SPOILERS
Why did Logan and Voctor have to be brothers? And why did Silverfox and Emma Frost have to be sisters? Neither relationship added anything to the film.
And the revelation of Logan getting played by Silverfox completely robbed him of his motivation. When this was revealed, I was hit with a sense of indifference … I felt like Logan should've just walked out of the room.
If that stuff didn't confuse me enough, the complete bastardization of Deadpool was just … criminal.
On the positive side, Hugh Jackman completely put himself into the roll, Liev Schreiber menaced the screen, and Taylor Kitsch was perfect as Gambit — I just wish he'd been given more to do, though.
NOTHING I can say about this would pass the profanity filter, which is why I'm glad I said it here:
http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2009/05/x-men-origin...
This could well end up being the worst film of the summer, even with "Transformers 2" on the horizon. I can't remember the last time I saw a bigger waste of time.
Got to disagree with you on Transformers, I didn't think any action was sacrificed there. My only objections to that movie were shaky cam and the transformers not looking unique enough which made telling them apart in a battle hard. Also I could have done with some more of Megan Fox under the hood of the muscle car…yuuuuummmmy.
Got to disagree with you on Transformers, I didn't think any action was sacrificed there. My only objections to that movie were shaky cam and the transformers not looking unique enough which made telling them apart in a battle hard. Also I could have done with some more of Megan Fox under the hood of the muscle car…yuuuuummmmy.
Bob you're a mad man! Transformers 2 is going to be awesome as long as the shaky cam is left at home.
I love the X Men movies, but in the extras on the DVD, they gave the impression that republicans were the hate-mongers that were biased to all mutants and the Democrats were all the open-minded politicians.
Kels, That's because the director wanted to show how humans (heterosexuals) oppress the Mutants (homosexuals)… get it? Not exactly what Stan Lee intended, but that's how the director sought to use it. Talk about bastardizing the source material…
Dude, Wolvie did walk outta the room. Then he heard a scream and you know….
Your right about the sister act. as for bros well… they were similar. Kind-of.
Deadpool was a nifty idea poorly used. I do agree though give Kitsch his own Gambit movie now.
Freeman: Bastardizing the source material comment is sooooooooo spot on! It's like the Punisher… 3 times now we've had his Origin story and 3 times they have gotten it all wrong though #3 is the closest but still…
Watchmen, Spidey, X-men and of course Sin City and 300 have been the best interpretations because the either stayed close to the source or were the source incarnate.
I have never figured out why Producers buy a property, especially ones with built in audiences and then throw away the property's properties?!
I mean if you are gonna stray and add revision then do it ala the Batman reboot.
I saw the movie last night at a midnight screening… trying to get a review video shot for a website I work on (http://filmmakeriq.com). These kind of movies are a joy for midnight screenings… the audience gets into it.
Did I like it, yes! Popcorn flick through and through. Kinda had a clunky and long winded setup with all that backstory, but once the action got going it was pretty fun.
Here's my Video review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rqlln-GfHQ)
I liked Slumdog myself. I went in with no expectations.
RIght on re. producers buying a property then ignoring it. Especially when it clearly hurts the commercial prospects–even to the extent of TITLING in the best example of all time: They buy the rights to a hit series of books with over 100 "volumes" out there in print in umpteen languages that have sold millions and millions of copies and are known in ever corner by the name "The Destroyer" and what do they call the movie (which wasn't bad except for an amazingly weak and pointless villian)??
"Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" …now THERE's a name sure to sell tickets, right? And make all those people who knew the source material recognize it on a marquee? Oy…
Damn, missed the second one.
Saw it today and basically its a good popcorn movie; it told a straightforward story with solid acting that incorporated most of the major points of the various Wolverine stories over the years without turning into a convoluted mess. This movie isn't going to win any awards or answer any deep philosophical questions; its just a fun way to spend a couple hours at the movies.
Sir HollywoodExit: I didn't know that about Remo Williams. Dang, The producers had the actual rights not only to the whole series but to the title as well?! I mean what producer wouldn't want The Destroyer as their title?! If you don't want it and it's built in audience then don't buy the property.
Arrgh! Of course I thought it was pretty comical and hypocritical that alot of critics held sway over The Watchmen by complaining that it was "To Faithful an Adaptation"! There is no making anyone happy I guess.
As I recall there were some rights issues to the Destroyer name. Which is why they couldn't use it.
It also didn't help that Joel Grey played his Korean mentor. Shades of Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffanies.
Yeah… no.
"Transformers" the first is an utter disaster – the single worst big-studio movie of the young century thus far IMO. The screenplay is horrid even by the meager demands of what amounts to a giant monster movie, the acting is uniformly terrible even from the pros, the direction is frenetic to the point of disinterest, the action scenes are trite and formulaic, the focus on a moronic teen romance (and the lame humans in general) at the expense of the guys the movie is named for is absurd, the designs of the robot characters are ugly, cliche'd, void of characterization and all look largely the same and Bay is demonstrably interested in making anything BUT a "Transformers" movie. Thus far, #2 doesn't look primed to improve on any of these points.
Be fair now: Stan Lee and Marvel in general have always been VERY upfront that the initial 60s iteration of the X-Men was framed in part as a parable about societal minorities and differing approaches to Civil Rights struggles – in the original context the main paralell was race, with Xavier as MLK and Magneto as Malcom X, but it's hardly a major stretch to reapply it to the gay equal-rights issue in a modern interpretation. (Frankly, I think it's a much BETTER paralell since for the most part the Mutants are otherwise "normal" looking and thus the question involves the additional wrinkle of whether or not they ought simply "keep their difference to themselves" and blend in.)
Incidentally, since I can't get enough of the hyperbole this usually generates 'round here, this is the first full American trailer for "G.I. Joe" – which ALREADY looks better than Wolverine
http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=12966
I'm not sure exactly what I was expecting from the movie, but it was a serious let down at times. The biggest problem bar none was, as a commentator said above, the complete evisceration of Deadpool. Complete.
That said, Liev Scrieber (sp?) was excellent. You got the impression he was more badass than Wolverine. I never felt much emotional connection to Wolverine. It wasn't necessarily Hugh Jackman, the film's overall portrayal of Wolverine felt weak. Doing Wolverine stand alone can't be as campy and the rest of the X-Men (I mean that in a good way), it needs to be darker, somehow grittier.
Oh, and I loved how the opening montage with all the wars portrayed Vietnam as the "bad" war.
Just saw Wolverine Origins and I thought it was a great movie. It way better than Xmen 1&3 but X2 is still the best. With that being said, I don't understand the negative reviews for this movie. The story was good and easy to follow, the acting was spot on and the special effects and action sequences where awesome. Maybe some of my comic book bretheren are getting a little "spoiled". I am old enough to remember when Marvel comic movies where nothing but pipe dreams and the gold standard for a long time was Superman 1&2.
Still, just go in and enjoy yourself. This is not the Dark Knight and this is not Iron Man. For fans of the Xmen films this movie Xplains alot. Well worth my 10 bucks and hopefully Fox will continue to build not just on Wolverine but the entire Xmen universe. This movie is a good start.
Oh yeah, there are 2 scenes to look for after the movie. One is during the credits and the very last scene is after the credits are done. The second scene was well worth the wait.
For those unfamiliar with the character of Wolverine in the comics: He's really 5'3 hence the name Wolverine and not good looking. Sabertooth and Wolverine aren't brothers. Silver Fox and Emma Frost aka the White Queen aren't sisters. Sabertooth killed Silver Fox in the comics. Adamantium bullets can't pierce Adamantium(dumb way to explain his memory loss). Weapon X program was a Canadian gov't program.
Wade Wilson aka Deadpool aka the "Merc with a Mouth" is a nonmutant mercenary with terminal cancer who volunteers for the Weapon X program. Using Wolverine's DNA for his healing factor, it heals Wilson's cancer but disfigures and makes him mentally unstable. He wisecracks, wears a costume and occasionally breaks the "fourth wall";admitting that he is a comic book character. The movie butchered the character which is why fans are upset. He doesn't have swords coming out of his hands or optic blast abilities.
Cont.
Rambo:First Blood would be the type of movie that needs to be made for the correct portrayal of Wolverine.
I want my bang for my buck when going to the movies, especially for characters that I know. That's why some fans get upset when they change the character. I would rather pay to see for a Superman that believes in Truth, Justice and the American Way instead of one that believes in Truth, Justice, and "other stuff".
Corny as hell. Slightly entertaining. Didn't wait for the last scene after the credits though.
What the screenwriter did to the canonicity of the material was what he did to Homer's *Iliad* with the movie *Troy.*
Amen to that.
Arrrr forgot about that
It is not as terribly liberal as you might think since it is based on India.
It is more an everyman film.
What was the Cannon from the Marvel Origins of Wolverine.
Wolverine was never really a character that interested me. The whole government makes you industructible even though your an ex military pacifist whose fed up with the government so that you can be the government's tool is somewhat too ridiculous to get through my suspension of disbelief.
If I don't believe a character I don't follow it. I thought that Gambit was played way too flat. I always envisioned gambit as having a little more hyperactive personality. He seemed to staid for me. All in all it wasn't a terrible movie but I had no real expectations.
What on earth are you talking about? "Too much story"? Wolverine was action from the beginning to the end. They didn't bother explaining the things that you see, like a lot of movies do. It wasn't like they had to say "He originally had bone claws, then they got broken off, then they got replaced with adamantium", blah blah blah…they just told the story visually, quickly and effectively. Sure it wasn't brilliant like Dark Knight or anything, but it was a good movie.
Gambit deserves his own flick. They finally put him in one, and he didn't really have a lot of screen time.
Wolverine and Victor…I'm not sure if they were brothers in the comic, but they always had a rivalry, so that just spices it up.
Will see it soon, thanks for the tip.
SPOILER: Can you guess what job the writers have Logan happily take on, after he quits the special forces? HINT: Logan is CANADIAN. You only get one guess.
I enjoyed the film. Kind of a downer for a ending, but will watch again on DVD.
There were 4 stacks established (as in real life) at the beginning of the Three Mile Island scene.
He is Wolverine and he's O.K.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
Didn't catch that. I guess I always assumed there were 3… my bad. Thank You for putting me straight on that mistake.
Nothing new, just more of the same silly special effect action genre tripe most of these films are. That said it was a decent popcorn flick that the kids seem to enjoy and I suppose the purpose for them. Thinking and looking back at the film I was surprise this film is rated PG-13 and not R. I suppose it was because they didn't show any blood.
As a Wolverine fan of 23 years I have to say it was just average. And the geek in me wants to say the liberties they took with Deadpool in the last act are unforgivable.
I just saw it and I think one's opinion of it follows 2 camps – those who have really followed the comics and Wolverine are a bit disappointed at worst and a bit ambivalent at best.
I have seen at least one other X Man movie with Patrick Steward – but know next to nothing about Wolverine.
Personally I liked the movie. My friend Larry the Movie Nut (LTMN) told me there are at least "several" stories of the originis of Wolverine – he seemed to enjoy the movie.
One thing for certain – you don't want to piss off Wolverine
I have certainly seen worse movies this year – Crank 2 among them. I considered it to be an entertaining 2 hours.
Stan Lee is a lib.
How cool would Wolverine had been if Zack Snyder had directed the movie?
The misses and I saw Wolverine this afternoon. I came away mixed. I guess I went in wanting to see a spectacle and that's what I got. Lots of SFX. Lots of big fight scenes. Lots of action. The story that strung it all together was as thin as cheese cloth, but who really cares. The misses liked seeing you-know-who's buff chest and backside flashing across the screen. If you count the few moments with his on-screen girlfriend in her night gown then I guess we're even on that score.
A few things did bother me. One was the more than obvious green screen when Wolverine & girlfriend are supposedly driving through the Canadian countryside. When the misses can pick up on that then you know your SFX crew failed. Another was the … well, I suppose I shouldn't go into to much detail other than to say, why the hell didn't they give it to the Agent Zero and let him do his super-sharp shooter thing. And then there was the deus ex machina at the end. Common on, writers. Couldn't you come up with something better that that to deal with that particular issue.
Id say a good peice of entairtainment. Lots of cool action and it retells a familiar vigilantee storyline over again quite well. It definutly could have been alot better had it devoloped its characters and not added some confulluted storylines (Deadpool anyone) but at the same time it could have been alot worse. Its far superior to the basterdized Fantastic Four movies and maybe even a bit better then X-Men The Last Stand. Still it doesn't meet the high standards X2 X-men United set for the franchise. Its succeeds in being fun summer entairtainment but its a shame it isn't anything more
Loved it, especially the parts involving Ryan Reynolds as Wade Wilson and the final fight with Weapon XI/Deadpool, and I say that as a hardcore Deadpool nerd.
Nolte's problem in the jibe of "those who have never felt the touch of a woman" about the fidelity to Comic Book characters is a total misreading of what comics at least were:
Beloved by twelve year old boys (of course they never felt the "touch of a woman" that way) for decades.
People are upset at Deadpool's treatment because it's akin to making Superman a "tortured freak with a glass stomach," ignoring about 75 years of proven success with the concept of Superman in the comics, and all the memories ages of little boys have decades later for the character as he was.
Deadpool is not Superman, but fans loved him for decades. He's sort of the unstable Spider-Man, always wisecracking, never ever trying to be altruistic, able to heal but not really well, and as noted mentally unstable and disfigured. He's unpredictable and not even he knows what he'll do next.
The X-Men are an extended family of Super-heroes with thinly disguised allegories of the Civil Rights movement (Professor X is Dr. King with superpowers, Magneto Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan). It's enough to create legions of fans. Including many who loved the macho toughness of Logan/Wolverine.
All the original stuff WORKED. For Decades. There's no reason to think it can be improved. It's a turn-off to millions of former ten year old boys who loved the characters decades ago. Screenwriter and producer and director arrogance at it's worst.
I liked this one less than John for a lot of reasons already listed in the comments here. I have a full review HERE, but the whole thing can be summed up with two words– weak plot. We don't learn anything about Logan that we already didn't know and Sabretooth doesn't really get beyond two dimensions. Good action, but not much else.
The bone claws grew back. He heals. They weren't replaced with adamantium–the bone claws(all of them) got the same treatment as the rest of Logan's skeleton.
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