An Open Letter to Speaker Pelosi
by Bob HamerMs. Pelosi:
I’ll make this brief because I know you are busy.
I wanted to remind you of the oath you first took in 1987 and reaffirm at the start of each new Congress. It reads:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
Maybe I am missing something but I read nothing about political parties, putting your interests above the nation’s, or putting your party’s interests above the nation.
You now admit to attending the briefing where waterboarding was discussed but was told the CIA was only considering the use of the technique. Even assuming that to be true, you never objected to the “future use.” You said nothing, not a single word. Your most recent explanation for failing to speak up is, “No letter or anything else was going to stop them from doing what they were going to do. My job was to change the majority in Congress and to fight to have a new president.”
No, that is not your job. The oath you took clearly defines your job.
If you believed laws were being broken it was your duty as a sworn representative and a citizen to speak up. The Federal Criminal Code at 18 Section 4 applies to everyone and defines “Misprision of Felony” as “whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
If you thought a crime was being committed it was your duty to report it. If, as I suspect, you had no issues with the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques as discussed in the briefings then I applaud you for putting the nation’s safety as a priority. That was your duty and you honored it.
Our servicemen and women have taken the same oath to “protect and defend.” As Memorial Day approaches let us remember the many who have given their lives for this nation regardless of the political party in power. The Marine Corps has three core values: honor, courage, and commitment. A Marine is expected to live all three. Congress should adopt the same core values. At this point I wish you would pick just one.
Sincerely,
Bob Hamer
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All good points. Sadly, we know you are talking to a wall here but hey, fight the good fight.
If you're waiting for her to admit what she did and apologize for what she's done, don't hold your breath. Take it from this San Franciscan that you will have turned terminally blue, and she won't even be considering telling the truth. Botox damages the truth-centers in the brain, you know.
"At this point I wish you would pick just one." – I love it. Good letter, Bob!
"Never try to teach a pig to whistle.
It wastes your time, and annoys the pig."
Mr. Hamer, you're annoying the pig.
Aesop has just written the most clever fable….EVER!
Look Dems and some Republicans would rather follow the Donkey or the Elephant than the flag. They bear true faith and allegience to their partys than to the country.
Great write up. Too bad YOU can't question that lying old bat live on TV.
Well stated, Bob. Unfortunately, before M. Pelosi deigns to answer your eloquent and pointed correspondence (especially as you aren't a constituent in her district), hell will freeze over, the President will admit to a mistake and pigs will fly. So, I won't be holding my breath. But I won't let her dour, botoxed face cast a shadow on the happy and thoughtful Memorial Day I will be celebrating this year with my family. And I hope the same for you and yours!
Yeah, but maybe she will pick one story and stick with it for awhile. I don't know about you, but Cindy Sheehan is looking pretty normal right now to me. At least she has a story and sticks with it. Maybe she'll run again!
Hi, Bev: Cindy Sheehan actually ran in the last general election as a "reform" Democrat because Pelosi was too conservative. Even San Franciscans didn't buy that one. But, unlike Pelosi, Sheehan never diverged from her stated agenda. You have a pretty darned good understanding of San Francisco for a gal from way back east.
the constitution she wants to protect is of the Algore 'living breathing document' type. Meaning they and activist judges can interpret it as they like. Supersede the voters, and congress if necessary. Complete power, and everyone else is chattel.
Now you know why we are conservatives…
I just wish, for once, a politician would tell the American people the truth– "My only goal is to get re-elected. Everything I do is motivated to that end. My moral compass is based on staying in office and having power without responsibility is my north star. I am drunk with dizzy ambition. My ego is only surpassed by my calculated chutzpah."
I doubt Pelosi has read our Constitution…
no, she knows OF it… she has her staff read her Algore's Cliff's notes version…
Look folks everyone knows San Fran Nan lied. What she lied about is the mystery, She needs to be served with papers to turn over all materials she knows of a conspiracy to conceal the truth.
She needs to tell under oath who else knows about these acts and how they conspired to violated the law. And via RICO .stautes those peopel have commited a added crime and need to be brought before the courts.
Simply put Ms Pelosi you need to resign and be tried for your actions.
Ms. speaker has no Constitution, nor any reason to follow one. Let alone ours.
I truly hope Pelosi stays around, (until we regain the house anyway) I believe she has become the best marketing tool conservatives have. You can not buy these kinds of ads.
Even if she won't resign, we can not let up and allow this to go away.
What will upset me more is if any mamby pamby Republicans give her a pass.
Let's turn the tables on the Dems and give them a taste of what they've been giving for the past 8 years. It will help pass the time for the next 3 3/4 years until law and order comes back to Dodge City.
I'm glad that conservatives have seen the light. We need your help to push for criminal prosecution of everyone involved in the authorization of torture.
Bravo Mr. Hamer. So much stupidy over a virtual interrogation technique. It's sometimes frightening to realize she's one of us. She hails from this planet (I think). She was raised here in a devout family, she's a college graduate, she married well, she's super wealthy, she's been involved in politics much of her life, and she was elected to the HofR over 10 years ago. How sad is it that somewhere in there she failed to learn honesty? She really should emulate BHO's approach to politics and apologize.
Well put, dcase. This is the problem with the national debate on so many issues: the core concepts have a different meaning for the Left. For them, constitution = I now have the lawmaking authority, and I can do what I want with it.
Here's a satirical view of the same issue:
http://awolcivilization.com/?p=1122
Speaking of which, Specter just backed Pelosi over the CIA. Who was it that was saying the Republicans need a big tent?
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/new-dem-spect...
Somebody didn't get his hug.
I agree wholeheartedly anyone who orders torture should be prosecuted, unfortunately for your side waterboarding isn't torture.
And if the definition is changed retroactively to make it torture, will you help me find a lawyer to sue Mr. Clinton for the procedures done to me and a bunch of my comrades while he was Commander-in-Chief as well? I didn't think so, I thought I could tempt you by using "comrades" but I'm betting no luck, and yet again no pie.
In Ms. Pelosi’s feeble mind she’s beyond reproach, how dare anyone question her veracity, especially smelly voters. There is no honor in the modern liberal Democrat party, Bob. Democrats generally don’t throw there own under the bus, we’ll see. Oaths are for other people.
I hear that the official Democrat Caucus' version of the Constitution is written on an Etch a Sketch hidden somewhere under Pelosi's house. Sure it smudged a little when the earth shakes there now and then, but that's nothing to worry about at all.
Saying someone has a darned good understanding of Cindy Sheehan is sort of a backhanded compliment though isn't it?
(passes out popcorn)
He's trying to suck up to get his seniority reinstated if he happens to win in 2010, that's all there is to that one in my opinion.
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NYC has it’s own special breed of moonbats huh, Bev. They don’t play second fiddle to any SF Democrats? God help both of you.
If this article's correct, I find it hard to believe Pelosi didn't pick up on the waterboarding concept:
http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/05/cia-says-it-b...
So what you are saying is she has committed a felony by not reporting what she believed to be a felony. Sounds like Nancy may be experienced at this. I hope she keeps on talking. I believe she has much more to hide with party being first. There should be many more Pearls of wisdom that come out of her mouth, if she just keeps on talking.
Oh Auntie it’s you, we haven’t seen you around in a couple of days, I thought perhaps you had fallen in a hole and bumped your head, or something? You know Auntie you need to be sure and wear a helmet when you go outside, you could hurt yourself!
LOL! How true! The only difference between NYC and SF is the name of the ocean!
pff!
What torture?
I'm convinced that democrats think that living on the planet with others who don't bow down to them are being tortured.
You can envision the likes of Jerry Nadler, Carol Maloney, getting together with Nancy Pelosi, and Henry Waxman, a gaggle of mit-wits cooking up ways to screw America, it’s breathtaking to imagine.
I hope the helmet comes with a complimentary "How to Bake a Pie" book, I'm starting to get really hungry.
I hope the helmet comes with a complimentary "How to Bake a Pie" book, I'm starting to get really hungry.
At the time of the founding of this nation the idea of outlawing political parties was discussed. It was feared that the Party System would constitute a shadow Govt. that was not representative of the peoples wishes. The idea of outlawing parties was rejected because how would like minded individuals organize for a political purpose. Both Parties right now are interested in one thing and that is being the dominant party and the power that comes with it. The Professional Political Class is the real problem and the current Parties are the symptom. We the voters are responsible because we keep re-electing these bums. I say for the forseeable future whether you are a liberal or a conservative if you love this country never ever re-elect anyone. After 3 or 4 election cycles the problem will self correct.
"talking at a wall…" hey that sounds a little like Speaker Nancy "the Crypt Keeper" Pelosi's reasoning for not writing her letter. We need to be vocal about our opposition to those scoundrels so the timid will know they are among friends.
that and better pizza and delis
Question? Who is voting for this woman? I have never met anyone from SF that actually likes this woman, yet she keeps winning elections!
We have a similar problem here in Illinois with Richard "DICK" Durbin. The guy keeps getting re-elected yet I have never met anyone who actually voted for the guy. Maybe they're embarassed?
Most people in Illinois hate this guy with a passion and yet he still wins re-election easily every time!
But what I find really strange is that he is one of the few that still support Pelosi. Could it be they belong to the same "Coven"? They both are kinda pale.
Archaeologists in Germany found the fossil of a 47million year old reptile. They named it Nancy Pelosi.
(And Helen Thomas is so jealous)
It does not matter if a felony was comitted or not, if someone believes a felony is being comitted and it is not reported that is a crime. Failure to keep your oath of office as a member of congress in wartime can be considered treason if it gives aid and comfort to our enemies. Normally a wide lattitude is given Congressmen and Senators because of the political component because it is also assumed only People of good charector would be qualified to run or be elected. Oaths don't seem to matter much anymore, Clinton lied under oath and while he was impeached he is still popular. In times past an oath breaker was automatically an outcast from civilized scociety.
Hey, you forgot Charlie Rangel! He's my A #1, double good, special, favorite moonbat politician. Oh, and no line up is complete without the Rev. Al Sharpton! Though technically, not an elected politician, he never met a camera he did like to get in front of and never met a issue he couldn't call racist.
I have it on good authority that Auntie has had a problem in that regard. The other day he was doing some baking trying to live up to so many request for pie from his new friends here at BH. He was paring some apples a dangerous proposition for Auntie all unto itself when he knocked his slobber cup into the deep fryer, well both hands were full, when his liberal logic kicked in, and he went bobbing for his slobber cup. Needless to say it was a mess, and he fused his helmet to his forehead. But, he’s a trooper our Auntie, and is back sitting in his Mom’s basement, trying still to post a coherent thought.
We have the delis and pizza, SF has the seafood! Oddly, there are not that many seafood related eateries in NYC.
Hmmm, why, I don't believe I have ever seen Nancy outside during the daylight hours. You may be on to something…
Oh god no you can’t leave out shifty Charlie Rangel, and Rev. Al “lets shake’em down” Sharpton.
Mr. Hamer – you make an appeal to Pelosi to recall her oath (not likely) and then honor the oath (laughable – not your appeal but the chances it will happen) The number of people in our country, I'd say the world is diminishing each passing day. Just look at the divorce rate. So many spouses (not all) ignore their vows so quickly and completely you wonder if they even heard the words when they were leaving their lips. In "My Blue Heaven", the Steve Martin character says "Everybody thinks they have a sense of humor, even people don't have one." Now replace the word humor with "honor" and you have a picture of the world today. Thank God for law enforcement, fire fighters and the military where people who really do know and practice life with honor still reign.
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SF's seafood is overstated. They have fine creative restaurants though. And don't forget North Beach. It's no Little Italy but it did produce the Dimaggio's.
Honesty? The daughter of the Baltimore mob boss?
She regularly gets around 80 percent of the vote in SF. When I lived there I was among the 8 percent Republican/Conservative vote. I agree that no one likes her but the D next to her name on the ballot guarantees her election. She'll never resign her seat because there will be no local pressure for her to do so. She should resign as Speaker though.
Did it have the botox smile?
Nooo!!! Well that explains a lot.
Hey, Bev: I think San Francisco has some great seafood restaurants, but they aren't located directly by the Wharf, which is where most non-natives end up. And don't forget we have the largest Chinese community outside of China. Chinese food in all its many variations are ubiquitous throughout the city.
Your posts are always a kick, and I love hearing tales from NYC. You've mentioned a few places over the past few months that brought back memories of my starving student days at NYU. I don't know if you've heard yet, but we have a new blogsite to talk about things that aren't already being covered by Big Hollywood. Drop by some time at http://commentarama.blogspot.com/ and take a look. If you get a chance, and you like the site, send us an e-mail to the address shown on the right-hand side of the blog. Or just post a comment. We'd love to hear from you.
Think how she feels. She's never seen herself in a mirror.
California is notorious for the same thing. Governor Edmund G. (Pat Brown) kept getting elected, including beating Richard Nixon after he left the vice-presidency. They've had over forty years now, and still nobody has ever been able to find anyone who actually admitted to voting for Brown. At least a few people will admit to voting for his son, former Governor Jerry Moonbeam Brown, who is now our illustrious Attorney General.
The answer to your question about who is voting for her, the answer is everybody except me and about twenty-five others.
Impeach Pelosi. No apologies. Fire the liar, now!
Your vanity with a Botox excuse is one thing.
Teddy Kennedy with Mary Jo Koepchne is another! We will never forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the "Trusts" are where???????????? Belize????
An absolute disgrace to all Americans and illegals.
Gotta cross the East River for the best NYC seafood. Bklyn (Sheepshead Bay) & Queens (Howard Beach) beat anything you'll find in Manhattan
Why don't the leftists in SF drop the pretense and just call themselves socialists or communists? Didn't they make a song about Burlington, VT ("Red, Red Burlington") and Bernie Sanders keeps getting re-elected time and time again. SF lefties should be proud of themselves – truth in advertising!
But there's another saying by George Bernard Shaw:
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig.
You get all dirty and besides, the pig likes it."
I strive to never give my adversary any enjoyment.
Leave…Manhattan???? I am beginning to get the short of breath and shaky….Where is this place you call "Queens"? Brooklyn? Why, I thought that was just a bridge? They serve seafood on a bridge??
I'm glad to see one writer here on Big Hollywood admit that waterboarding is a felony.
Why is waterboarding a felony?
Get off the torture riff, Auntie. It's a one-trick pony, a tired trope, a lame joke by a hasn't-been-funny-for-years standup comic. Everyone's sick of it because everyone disagrees with you. Even your President disagrees with you.
If George W. Bush pierced your nipples with a hot iron while Dick Cheney took smiling, pointing photos a la Lynndie England, maybe you'd have a good word.
"Congress" and "core values" don't fit in the same sentence, especially where Pelosi is concerned. She was too busy plotting how to destroy President Bush when she took her oath.
Read the article above. If it is a felony and Pelosi knew about it, then she committed a felony. If it is not a felony, then there was no wrongdoing on Pelosi's part.
Maybe I'm missing it.. but I don't see any "waterboarding is a felony" comments…
.. .you never objected to the “future use.”…
…If you believed laws were being broken…
If you thought a crime was being committed…
…If, as I suspect, you had no issues …
Where does it say it's a felony? I think someone's reading what they THINK is there, not what is written..
Basically, you've just shot your own argument down.. Pelosi knew about it… didn't bring up felony charges, so apparently Pelosi didn't think it was a felony.
Hold up Rich, much like sojourner.. I think you guys are using the wrong argument?
How about the fact that Pelosi knew about it… knew it wasn't a felony (until it was politically convenient for her)… so she KNOWS there is no crime (again, until it's politically convenient)?
No, the argument shoots itself down. If it's not a felony, Pelosi did nothing wrong.
Maybe I am missing something but I read nothing about political parties, putting your interests above the nation’s, or putting your party’s interests above the nation.
Where were you when Bush appointed Rove as an advisor? When the Bush Administration fired lawyers for not being Republican enough? When Rove went to government agencies and advised them on making sure that local Republicans got the credit for federal programs sent their way?
Hey Sojourner, what Ms. Pelosi did is accuse the CIA of “misleading” congress, that’s the felony. If the CIA did not “mislead” congress which seems provable makes Ms. Pelosi a liar. Waterboarding is not a felony, it is used daily in our armed forces to prepare for capture, and was extended shortly after 9/11 for three scumbag Islamofascist, big f*#cking deal.
[...] Bob Hamer at Big Hollywood: Ms. Pelosi: [...]
More and more evidence is showing that the CIA did indeed mislead Pelosi.
Gosh–a secretive government agency lies to a liberal member of Congress during a Conservative administration. When has that happened before? Can anyone say Oliver North? Can anyone say Watergate?
And waterboarding is both torture and illegal according to treaties the U.S. has signed, although it seems that with some conservatives, the law is only to be obeyed when convenient, and the Constitution is toilet paper when its provisions don't let them do what they want.
And let's be honest–the is whole tempest in a teapot is designed to draw our attention away from the real criminals, the torturers and torture-enablers in the Bush Administration.
"No, that is not your job. The oath you took clearly defines your job."
This is the "money shot".
I enjoyed hearing her tell us it was her job to get a new President. Maybe she forgot that is the job of the 22nd Ammendment. I guess that's what happens when you ignore the Constitution for so long.
More and more evidence is showing that the CIA did indeed mislead Pelosi.
What evidence? Pelosi is hemming and hawing and changing her argument every time she's asked… (aka: "I was never at the briefing", "I was at the briefing but it wasn't mentioned", "I was told about it, but not informed (that's the latest ad the GOP is using)", "My aide didnt' tell me what was said in the meeting", etc…)
and the Constitution is toilet paper when its provisions don't let them do what they want.
Where is the anti-torture clause in the Constitution? I don't seem to remember that one… PS: the US constitution trumps ANY treaty in regards to our national sovereignty if the two come into conflict. (I had this argument with someone over the Sea Treaty from Hell (aka, the UN)).
I've had this argument with a liberal coworker (and probably makes me unfavorable among many on the right, as well as the left) .. Torture may be nasty business, and it may be unspeakable to the average individual.. but if it protects my country, it ain't illegal… (and no, chopping off someone's head just to make a video ain't torture… it's murder)
funny sketch; like the Van Gogh allusion as well… you are, of course correct. Sliding rules ain't fair! The great thing about this country is we have an agreement between us and the government with ironclad gurantees- and punishments.
This lot wants to shift the rules depending on the political need of the moment. Dangerous stuff. They need to go away..
Check out her fan club and the pic of her in a bikini.
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Gee, this is a hard one. Maybe it's because — and I understand this is a difficult concept — we're not socialists or communists. We're liberals. Just because you've decided to strip all meaning out of words so that you can use any name to describe any political philosophy, that doesn't mean we have to play along.
Wikipedia defines her district:
The 2000 U.S. Census also revealed that the 8th District contains the highest number of same-sex couples in the nation. Of 97,305 couples residing in the district, 7,521 (or 7.73%) were same-sex.[1] Included in the 8th District within the City of San Francisco is the Castro district, home to a number of gay restaurants, businesses and residents.
That may anser your question. Her district is very Liberal.
How about the use of the term "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" in the memo when that term wasn't adopted until 2004? How about asserting people were in the briefing who they later had to admit that those people weren't there at all?
Where are all those sharp bloggers who did so much research in Rathergate? Truning a blind eye, of course…
As for disrespecting the Constitution…
Article 1, Section 8 "Congress shall have the power…To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;…
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations; …
Note that those powers are invested in Congress, not in the Executive Branch. The Executive Branch also cannot unilaterally break treaties without the consent of Congress. So there was no conflict with international treaties, except in the minds of Lord Bush and Darth Cheney, and their minions, the Torture 13.
We won't even talk about making retroactive FISA laws and the "Patriot" Act…
2 parter here.. so {part 1}
Congress has not yet defined or approved the claim of an "offense against the Law of Nations." (which is the part that I'm assuming you're using). They keep talking about it, (and certain leftie Senators in particular) keep trying to get it started, but it never gets any momentum. )
Btw.. the Law of Nations does not refer to international law(according to Constitution Society.) and is limited to the following…the only one I"d think you're trying to debate is #5?
Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1:
"This court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the constitution over a treaty" [Reid, at p. 17].,.. "… when a statute which is subsequent in time is inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null." [Reid, supra, citing Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 238, at p. 267] "No agreement with a foreign nation (no exec. orders, no Pres. directives, no "accords" etc.) can confer power on Congress or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the constitution" [Reid, supra].
part 2:
How about the use of the term "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" in the memo when that term wasn't adopted until 2004? How about asserting people were in the briefing who they later had to admit that those people weren't there at all?
So because they used a unique term.. that means what? So the current administration is using a term that was in the memo originally? I'm not sure what the argument is there?
So far, the only name that I know of besides Pelosi who was listed as being at various briefings and wasn' t was Rockefeller, and the report even states "was briefed later"… Pelosi claims not 'briefed at all'?
As much as I think he's a weasel for the most part, the one guy I would trust in his comments in all this is Leon Panetta, and he's one that says "she was informed".
The only reason anyone would look at Ms. Pelosi's ass is if they were lip-readers
From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs, hmm… sound familiar. However you may correct WR, it’s probably closer to fascism, taking over car companies, nationalizing banks, building up brown shirts ACORN, etc. Far removed from Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, freedom. As a lover of government, what would you as a devout liberal call our present monstrosity?
I'm missing the part where Congress passed a law allowing torture, that the Executive Branch could then use to override the international treaties. But then, I guess that was the job of the Torture 13 to make bogus legal arguments.
oh what? The republicans on this comment section do not like Nancy Pelosi? I’m shocked.
As a dem, and liberal troll, I have to say: You guys all already blew your vote on Pelosi- you’re motives are highly questionable since there is a long established history for your hatred of this woman.
Further, (again, as a dem troll): Democrats, face it: Pelosi has “jumped the shark” big time. By calling the CIA into question, as a Dem, she’s pushed one of the Democrats special “Nuclear Buttons”. Now dems: This means its time to line up: You are either with Pelosi or you are against her.
Republican’s watch out: what I’m about to say is very Machiavellian, which may be morally flawed I realize, but – right/wrong, IF Pelosi goes down as the sacrificial democrat (like Hilary did for another famous Bush Era Democrat Capitulancy(tm))…Then you can bet your as$es this will be the next hostage to be shot in the Great American Torture-VS-Justice Philosophical Quest will be your former VP!
Find the treaty language which explicitly defines waterboarding as torture. Go ahead. We'll wait.
<crickets chirping>
That's rather the point of the EIT memos- there is no clearly-defined working definition of torture, which is why the CIA requaested legal guidance.
I'm guessing you're making the claim that Congress has to write up an order to 'authorize torture/interrogation techniques'' because of the Law of Nations (#5) before we can interrogate captured terrorism suspects, EVER?
Again, this goes back to the Pelosi comment.. she was briefed about interrogations (again, depending on which story of hers use accept as being the truth, if any of htem.)… she didn't raise an argument then, so there she must have seen NOTHING wrong with it back then…
"Then you can bet your as$es this will be the next hostage to be shot in the Great American Torture-VS-Justice Philosophical Quest will be your former VP! "
But the difference is that we want Pelosi to step down for lying about not being briefed on waterboarding, and then lying again that the CIA lied about it. I don't want her federally prosecuted for okay-ing waterboarding. I still think waterboarding is an acceptable way to gain information from an enemy combatant (and irony is that so did she, until it was politically expediant to say otherwise).
The only argument here is, is Pelosi being asked to step down for lying to Congress and the public, or is she being asked to step down for allowing/knowing about the torture interrogations?
If it's 1.. then I can't see this being another bullet..
if it's #2.. then I can see them trying to use it as another…
But so far, all the arguments have been the first point and Nancy promise of "ethically visible congress"
Only the Willfully Ignorant whose minds are immured behind their own political beliefs think Pelosi is telling the truth… on any level. This political Gargoyle is Dangerous because she's STUPID. She's an embarrassment to this Country, her Party and Herself……….Get moving you won't be missed and take Harry "The Wars Lost " Reed with you.Good Article Mr. Bob. Pithy and Dead on.Thanks
The off the cuff response any modern liberal will tell you is that republicans and conservatives is what is endangering America, so anything Pelosi does to hurt them, is protecting the country.
That's the real sickness of modern liberals. They believe the greatest threat to the world is their fellow Americans. That's some serious sick stuff.
So what you guys are saying is Party first, Politics first. Screw the American people and screw the Constitution is Pelosi's view. Got it!
I think the former VP along with the former President would be happy to have charges brought against them by this administration and congress over enhanced interrogation. After all; in an order that Barack signed as President left open the possibilities he may use these technics or others if we are attacked again.
The left will lose big time in court and the issues would be argued by experts rather than the media and political hacks that distort the truth. Let lawyers do the distortion they by law have to follow some basic rules of law in the presentation of evidence.
our esteemed senator from PA did just that! We're all so proud of Arlen and his ability to see what is truly most important. Most people can't see their own rear ends.
"…hell will freeze over, the President will admit to a mistake and pigs will fly…" Well, we're a third of the way there. I saw in the paper that the swine flu.
LH and Bev, Nutty Nancy lied to the left, that is I think why she will continue the probably botox influenced stupidity. If she continues lying, her SF jury will due an OJ Simpson verdict, if she admits the truth, that she did the right thing at the time, it is a guilty plea to her jury and she is dead. Same thing in DC, she will be OK as long as she continues to lie.
Bob, great post, 1st, if she thought anything was a crime and did nothing, she did a felony. Neither she or Holder thinks any of it was a crime, only that their enemies (us) are guilty of anti-party thingees, which are capitol offenses to them. 2nd, you, I think, know that the stuff used only works sometimes and is not reliable without verification. As Star Wars Jabba the Hutt told our lad Luke when Luke tried the mind control stuff, "young jedi, your jedi mind control tricks will not work with me, only with the weak minded fools". Some of the bad guys in custody are weak minded fools; we did the right thing, and she knows that.
A lot of what you talk about was covered in the Anti-Federalist papers and by others such as Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson. Unfortunately, the apathy of most of the American population will in all likelihood, allow this gross abuse of power to continue at the expense of we the people no matter what those of us who actually accept responsibility for our actions think, say or do.
Your forgetting the ulterior motives I believe –
Free trips from lobbyists and other action committees and special interest groups
Large cash bonuses to friends who then pass on some of that "stimulus" to the pols as campaign contributions or through family member's businesses (See Harry Reid, San Fran Nan's husband as just a couple of examples)
Power seats in the UN when they can enforce international law here despite our constitution … and once you start down that road, it gets into crazy stuff that sounds almost like conspiracy theories at the moment … but is becoming a more and more realistic outlook at a frighteningly fast pace.
How is it that these tactics are considered torture by your administration here and not when they are used in respects to someone like John Demjanjuk or those members of the Armed Forces who protect your freedom to remain so blissfully unaware of just how dangerous this world remains?
(The point is not whether John Demjanjuk is or is not guilty here, so please do not bore me with those arguments. He has already been acquitted once, but I suppose double jeopardy has no real meaning when it does not suit the political motives behind it. It is rather like what your outrage would be if we followed the Geneva Convention with the individuals who are now guests at Guantanamo … where they would have been shot as spies and subversives … but the Geneva Convention too is only important as long as it supports political ends I suppose)
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