Letterman vs. O’Reilly (and Limbaugh, and the Republican Party, and the War on Terror…)
by Ace of SpadesKids, you might not believe me, but there was once a point when Dave Letterman was considered funny.
You know what really destroyed Letterman for me? For years Letterman coasted on the same gag — “Look at how much precious network time I’m wasting with comedy bits intended to go nowhere and provide zero entertainment to the audience.”
Now, the thing of it was, we, the loyal Letterman audience, thought we were in on the joke. We laughed along with Dave as he wasted our time, because we were digging that he was also wasting the network’s time. All those “found comedy” moments that yielded nothing but awkward silence and stilted interaction with deli owners.
Now, Letterman has always done this, but earlier on he had a competent writing staff who would actually produce funny stuff that made slogging through the tedium worth it. But as he aged and became more bitter and less funny, he began to rely on the conceit of obviously phoning it in and blatantly wasting everyone’s time more and more, until that became his main mode of “comedy.”
And then came the Norm MacDonald impression of him on “Saturday Night Live.” In a deadly five minute sketch, MacDonald mimicked all of Letterman’s time-wasting unfunny jokes and endless repetitions of them, and his penchant for giggling at himself as he did nothing but waste the network’s time.
And the audience’s time.
Here’s the only clip of it I can find:
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And something in that sketch clicked in me. I finally realized: The joke’s been on me for ten years. I thought I was in on the joke as he wasted the network’s time. But the network was still selling ads, weren’t they?
The only people having their precious time wasted were those still watching Letterman. The network people weren’t watching these long, tedious supposedly funny-because-it’s-not-funny Larry “Bud” Melman appearances. I was.
And I was forcing myself to laugh because I wanted it to be funny. I caught myself doing that at one of Woody Allen’s sad later “comedies” — Shadows and Fog, I think — and realized there, too, that if I had to force laughs to show support, maybe I shouldn’t be supporting Woody Allen anymore.
And so I stopped. I hadn’t been watching Letterman much for years, but I still tuned in on occasion. (The show I tried to stay up to watch had become Conan O’Brien’s.) But now I stopped even bothering to check what guests Letterman might have on, or tune in to an early comedy bit hoping for a laugh.
And so now we see an old, unfunny, cranky old man, who attacks Limbaugh, etc., for stating their political opinions and for being “too smart to believe the crap they say,” even as he turns his non-comedy show into a nightly hour-long advertisement for the Obama Administration.
And speaking of being too smart to believe this crap– Edward R., who tipped me, says that Letterman also casually brought up the “death squads” Paul Bremer had brought with him to Iraq. That’s not in the clip, so I’m not 100% sure he said that, but it sounds par for the course.
And while Letterman always had a hard-on for Johnny Carson — a kinda embarrassing case of hero-worship — the irony is that Letterman is rejecting the Carson model of joke first, joke second, joke last, politics never, and moving into Lenny-Bruce-reading-his-court-transcripts-on-stage mode. While Leno, who didn’t seem to give a rat’s ass about Carson, is emulating Carson’s style of giving it to all sides equally.
Incidentally… I don’t think MacDonald intended the impression to be devastating. I think he likes Letterman, as most comics do (or did).
I think he just set out to impersonate him in a friendly manner. The trouble is, by doing so, he revealed just how thin and tired Letterman’s act was.





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Funny, that's exactly how I view DNC conventions!
Great, let's move on to sentencing!
Letterman stopped being funny when he stopped wearing sneakers, and that was a LONG time ago.
In his isolated and secure cocoon-like existence he IS the Man, and his CBS cum New York City acolytes tell him
Which is precisely what's wrong with Obama. Change a few words, and you've got the same, stale political problem with Obama as you do with Letterman. Obama has never had (and now will never allow) any real opposition to his self-regard. He's his own circle-jerk.
Letterman is just a jerk. I never cared for him and always thought he had a mean streak a mile wide. Time to bring back the word, "small" for such men as he and Obama.
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250 hours of watching Jay Leno. 3000 hours watching Jimmy Kimmel. (the coutroom gasps!) A visibly shaken Letterman is led from the coutroom. A terse 'no comment' was issued when he was asked if O'Reilly was behind this…
May be the Closing of " The Gap" deprived the two remaining live brain cells from the Necessary Oxygen…?? Ya thinks??
I'm not sure he ever will find out. Self-delusion is soooo comfy, and blame-shifting is so fashionable among the so-called, "disadvantaged".
I wonder how he'll be handling his Bloomers Drops to Russia and China without a teleprompter in sight……
See also: George Carlin
your points are well taken; however one suspects that reality will rear it's ugly head and barf all over him at some point. It has a tendency to do that, and he has had it way too easy for way too long. The excuse making and blame shifting will reach critical mass; we just hope innocent folk aren't hurt in the crossfire…
Right ON!.. They voted Blindly for Oblahblah and would misinterpret REALITY once again and think the Opposite of FACTS!!! FACTS tend to Confuse LIBTARDS you see.
YEAH But Riding the BOMB Like a Cowboy was UNFORGETTABLE….
yes, he could join 'Groucho' Olbermann…
note cards? mebbe not…
Dear Dave:
You won. Why are you still so angry that anybody dares to disagree with you?
Signed,
The Other 48% of Your Audience
Merrill Markoe. Letterman's old girlfriend. There's a name that I have not seen in a long time! When he had her guesting on his NBC shows — which I believe she helped create and headed up the writing — it felt like they were real soul mates.
Excellent article Ace! I too remember seeing the Norm MacDonald skit on SNL, and from that point on seeing Letterman in a different light. He also became more noticeably bitter after Leno, and not he, took over for Carson. His funniest moments only came during his anniversary shows where they'd take 10 years of material to get about an hour's worth of "laughs." I never really thought he was very funny, and now see him as a complete loser.
Perfect Carol! The mind of a liberal.
I come here not to bury Letterman. He's doing a good enough job all by himself. No, I came here to praise Norm McDonald, perhaps one of the most underrated funny men in the business. There are some heavily uncensored YouTube videos of him on Dennis Miller Live that are knock-down drag-out funny. In one video, 'Norm McDonald on Dennis Miller Live! Part 2', Norm recalls how he was telling gay jokes during a standup show in San Francisco. You know, to relate to the audience, LOL! Gut Busting Stuff. Rude as hell too, so be warned. Worth the trip
If only we could replace Dave with Norm. As the video here shows, he's already got Dave's routine down!
Hail Norm The Conqueror!
Are you people for real? I can't believe the asinine comments that I'm reading…Have you forgotten that we sent young americans to die in a foreign country unnecessarily? And the current administration will continue on that practice as well. And you're sitting around debating Letterman and O'Reilly? WTF!!!? Don't you see that you're getting DP by both the Left and Right! Letterman is no different than O'Reilly, and he's no different than KO on MSNBC they both make inaccurate, stupid and outlandish remarks. So when you and your children awake to find yourself living in totalitarian or police state and wonder what happen to your beloved republic… it will be exactly what you nimcompoops deserve!
John Wayne is FN Dead! Move on (org) okay! Find a real hero.. Dude, he was just an actor. I repeat an actor.
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I never liked Letterman; always found him obnoxious & over-rated.
To me, the best thing Letterman ever did was to champion the music of Warren Zevon,
who was/is so under-rated and undeservedly obscure.
Time is too precious to settle for "slogging through the tedium" of boring TV time to get to a small percentage of good stuff. So many other options are far more rewarding.
What bothered me most about Letterman (and other talk show hosts) was how he would WASTE the opportunity of having an interesting guest by being such a robot (with his list of questions) that he did not follow up on obviously interesting topics. Example: Letterman asks an actress 'So what have you been doing?' Actress: 'Well I just made a film in South Africa with Marlon Brando, and I got a new house in the Hamptons." Letterman: "Oooh, tell us about your HOUSE." (and he never pursued the other topic)
Brilliant, Dave. DARE to be complacently narrow in your interests!
Chris Rock was one of the few talk show hosts I ever saw who was great about noticing a potentially rewarding conversational detour and being spontaneous enough to pursue it instantly.
I heard Letterman is bipedal – not that there's anything wrong with that!
I stopped watching the Letterman as soon as he starting openly preaching politics on his show. Activist liberals have a hard time laughing at themselves. Taking oneself too seriously is a mark against any comedian. Letterman needs to either hang it up and run for office or shut up and try to entertain.
He did make a first class weatherman, back in the day.
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Letterman looks like a textbook example of having the combination of self-loathing and epic egotism.
How repellant.
What has he got to be so angry and bitter about??
A man who can't appreciate how fortunate he is lives in poverty, regardless of his external wealth.
That habit of restless hand-drumming on his desk looks like
'I have nothing entertaining to offer, but I expect people to keep watching me anyway.'
Yeah, Beneath the Planet of the Apes is a good 'guilty pleasure' flick…
Linda Harrison as "Nova" … Yeah, I could devolve back to caveman level for her…
My favorite moment in that flick was General Ursus giving that pompous speech, part of which was
"All that matters in the end is power – naked, merciless force!'
Yes, because variety is the spice of life, and we can find tons of wearying Obama-slagging all over mass media, so why suggest that tiresome topic should usurp this topic, which might be more fun, for a break?
Why choose a monotonous media diet of 'Oh it's so AWFUL!' ??
Why suggest it for others when they're having fun for a moment?
"I'm the Milton Berle of Big Hollywood."
Not including dressing in drag I trust, uncle Miltie.
You can lead a horse to water, but if you get can get him to float on his back, THEN you've got something!
M A K E U P !
Speaking of that Lettermen bit Norm Macdonald did, looking back it was the season that a lot of us felt wasn't that great, but it was because it followed all that great early 90s stuff. Getting back to O'Reilly and Lettermen… why aren't there reruns of old SNLs from those years on anymore.:)
Yeah, I'll move on (.org) for a real hero. Maybe Michael Moore, he can share some hot Halliburton investment tips. Of course, this is a site named "Big Hollywood" and the Duke "was an actor," the third most popular today according to a recent poll, so forgive me and my moniker, it plainly has no concordance here.
And with such a coherent and facile argument I can see you are in for a long posting career around these parts. Where else do you ply your trade? DemocraticUnderground? Maybe nickelodeon.com.
See you around, Pilgrim.
And there was a LOT of them, suckers that is.
If I spent all my time consumed with everything that's wrong in life, I'd ump off a cliff. Sounds like you're teetering on the ledge.
The problem with Letterman is that he thinks he's too cool for school,
and what's worse, his audience thinks they are, too. " I watch Dave so therefore I'm hip and happening."
Same thing with SNL and Stewart. and Maher. "I watch these shows so I know what's happening, dude."
Bruce Springsteen even said so!
Funny, when O'Reilly was on, Letterman mentionted the word "goon", but Dave's audience,
and certainly Mahers, are filled with them.
Has Viacom gotten any "stimulus" money.
If so, Geitner should put a cap on Letterman's salary.
There's no way his performance is worth what he's getting paid.
And as a musician I have to say that Paul Shaffer is as annoying as they come. The guy should be playing at an El Toritos not on network TV.
What a cornball he is.
Has Viacom gotten any "stimulus" money?
If so, Geitner should put a cap on Letterman's salary.
There's no way his performance is worth what he's getting paid.
And as a musician I have to say that Paul Shaffer is as annoying as they come. The guy should be playing at an El Toritos not on network TV.
What a cornball he is.
That Letterman impression is brilliant, wish I could see the whole sketch.
I stopped watching Letterman after he did a "Great Moments in Presidential Speeeches" bit which took something George Bush said out of context and made it appear to mean the opposite of what was actually intended. I was already somewhat annoyed at Letterman, but that was the last straw.
It is also worth noting that Norm Macdonald is something of a conservative. Here's a clip of him praising John Mccain and the Iraq surge strategy when he was on the O'Reilly Factor last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0Hpa44f3c
True. Did you happen to catch his act right after 9/11? He was all for payback, all in full support of our government's right to defend its citizens. I have it on my hard drive somewhere. But he went on at length explaining why he supported the government 'on this one'. There was lots of 'kick some a%%" and all that.
He even said something to the effect of: "Pacifism is all well and good, and a noble effort, but we're not there yet folks. Both sides have to play. It doesn't work if only one side agrees to it."
He seemed to forget these words of his or the words of George Orwell: "Pacifism at time of war is treason."
Yeah, Shadows and Fog. Big loser. Great short story, though, from one of his books. I think it's called The Kleinman Episode or something with "Kleinman" in it. Right, the only modern Woody film I like is Manhattan Murder Mystery and Bullets and those are not even new.
Right after the election, there was a very interesting and well written essay/rant posted on the net attributed to Dave. I couldn't believe it myself, that he actually wrote it, considering the lambasting he gave Bush every night on his show. Because the essay was very supportive of Bush and our safety since 9/11. Anyone know of this essay or its real author, if it wasn't Dave?
As I recall John Stewart had mustered his courage right after 9/11as well. It didn’t take long for their political proclivities to surface, huh?
Letterman is starting to remind me of Rosie O'Donnell when she had her show. It started out funny and light and then she went crazy with all of her radical political crap and everyone tuned her out. Now no one wants to touch her with a ten foot pole. At least Letterman is closer to hanging up his hat and can retire with some pride.
Hey Pounds,
For me, I'm not so interested in the political as the cultural. Of course, there is a place where they intersect, and I'm not blind to that, but straight politics is a blunt instrument as far as I'm concerned. It's the daggers of entertainment that seem to do more of the damage. I like having all of these smart people point them out for me.
Man is that spot on. When Norm did Letterman, and I do think it wasn't intentional, it ended being a ruthless interpretation of the man. I thought Norm was a genius after I saw that one. That and by being the best Weekend Update Anchor of all time
His audience also lets him get away with letting it be known that he doesn't listen to Limbaugh or watch O'Reilly–or any other conservatives–but is perfectly fine with accusing them of lying and/or ignorance without questioning HIS honesty or intelligence. They're nothing but a bunch of trained seals.
Oh just do us all a favor and jump anyway.
I was having a bad day.
Right on let us just Goose Step behind Oblahblah into the Upcoming demolition of Individual freedoms and the end of America as envisioned by the founding fathers into the Corrupt State that Alinsky, Ayers, and Marx have taught to the Messianic Orator…. Freedom has its pricew BUT only the Few are willinf to pay for it.. Certainly not the Limousine Liberals Right Pooks?
Letterman is network television's Bill Maher.
Yeah.. he said all that when he still had a half dozen live brain cells to work with.. ALAS being on the payroll of CBS ( Cretin Broadcast System) he has been reduced to TWO live brain cells after all the Beatings by LENNO…
Just a thought, but I think the whole thing with Letterman goes back to his disastrous stint as host of the Oscars. He had a joke about Oprah and Uma that bombed, went into disfavor with the Hollywood elites he depends on, and has spent ever since sucking up to them. O'Reilly is totally in love with himself and can't let anybody get a full sentence in before he interrupts. However, there is so little else going on in television that doesn't support a liberal agenda, that I cannot criticize him too much.
Best Comedy show on TV is the Senate and House DIMI C Rats attempt to justify their Marching Orders from Pelosi and Reid over the Disaster that the Budget actually IS… Pathetic bunch of MORONS!!! Not really Funny after all just SICK!
Since "war" is a dirty word to Lefties, what about "defense against wackos intent upon blowing us up"? I know it's long and convoluted but it doesn't use the w-word.
By the way, interestingly, going back on "w-words", the Lefties ARE consistent. They don't like w-word except when it's applied FOR Leftism. WWII – AGAINST until Hitler (Socialist) invaded the USSR (Communist).
Korea – against (fighting against Commies)
Vietnam – We know where THAT led.
Grenada – Against (fighting Communists)
Bombing the snot out of Serbia – YEAH – Go get the right wing bastards! Bomb the kids. Blow up the civilians. Kill the effers.
Iraq – Vietnam Redux. Who cares if Saddam was gassing Kurds? Bush started it (even tho' he wasn't in office at the time)
Afghanistan – 2001to2008. "Whythehell didn't we get bin Laden?"
Post Obama – let's make lovie dovie with the "moderate" Taliban. (which is like being a "little bit" pregnant).
One of Letterman's main problems is, if you add on his weekday morning show on NBC that was basically a warm-up for the Debut of "Late Night" in 1982, Letterman has been doing the same act for pretty much 28 years! Do a time-line forward on Johnny Carson's talk show host career from his debut on "Tonight" in 1962, and 28 years equals 1990. And while Johnny is fondly remembered now, by 1990 he was taking both Mondays and Tuesdays off, and people were talking about how he was losing touch with the younger viewing demos (by mid-1990, the buzz was all about Arsenio Hall's new show, which is one of the reasons why Bill Clinton went there, and not on The Tonight Show, to toot his saxophone).
Letterman made numerous threats over the years, both at NBC and CBS, to retire, but if he keeps going (and avoiding jokes about Obama) into the 2012 election cycle, he'll have been a talk show host longer than Carson. And if Johnny was running out of gas by the early 1990s, Dave's show is running on a set of used Triple-As leaking battery acid. He might as well give it up and move back to California the way he always wanted to, but considering how far into partisan political snark and away from straight comedy he's gotten, I doubt he'll be willing to give up his political platform by retiring from the show (though if Conan starts thumping him at 11:35 Eastern next month, CBS may start to wonder if they can't find someone better than Dave to host the show)
I never liked Letterman either, even when the guy I was dating in college thought he was absolutely hilarious. There was always something mean and ugly beneath the surface of his schlocky grin and demeanor. He was the kind of jokester that made me want to slap him. "Think thats funny? Joke about this! THWAP!"
Bill O'Reilly sets me off every now and then too, but nowhere near as much as Letterman…and I like that O'Reilly obviously brings out the worst in Letterman.
So Pookiedog is actually David Letterman.
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