Letterman vs. O’Reilly (and Limbaugh, and the Republican Party, and the War on Terror…)
by Ace of SpadesKids, you might not believe me, but there was once a point when Dave Letterman was considered funny.
You know what really destroyed Letterman for me? For years Letterman coasted on the same gag — “Look at how much precious network time I’m wasting with comedy bits intended to go nowhere and provide zero entertainment to the audience.”
Now, the thing of it was, we, the loyal Letterman audience, thought we were in on the joke. We laughed along with Dave as he wasted our time, because we were digging that he was also wasting the network’s time. All those “found comedy” moments that yielded nothing but awkward silence and stilted interaction with deli owners.
Now, Letterman has always done this, but earlier on he had a competent writing staff who would actually produce funny stuff that made slogging through the tedium worth it. But as he aged and became more bitter and less funny, he began to rely on the conceit of obviously phoning it in and blatantly wasting everyone’s time more and more, until that became his main mode of “comedy.”
And then came the Norm MacDonald impression of him on “Saturday Night Live.” In a deadly five minute sketch, MacDonald mimicked all of Letterman’s time-wasting unfunny jokes and endless repetitions of them, and his penchant for giggling at himself as he did nothing but waste the network’s time.
And the audience’s time.
Here’s the only clip of it I can find:
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And something in that sketch clicked in me. I finally realized: The joke’s been on me for ten years. I thought I was in on the joke as he wasted the network’s time. But the network was still selling ads, weren’t they?
The only people having their precious time wasted were those still watching Letterman. The network people weren’t watching these long, tedious supposedly funny-because-it’s-not-funny Larry “Bud” Melman appearances. I was.
And I was forcing myself to laugh because I wanted it to be funny. I caught myself doing that at one of Woody Allen’s sad later “comedies” — Shadows and Fog, I think — and realized there, too, that if I had to force laughs to show support, maybe I shouldn’t be supporting Woody Allen anymore.
And so I stopped. I hadn’t been watching Letterman much for years, but I still tuned in on occasion. (The show I tried to stay up to watch had become Conan O’Brien’s.) But now I stopped even bothering to check what guests Letterman might have on, or tune in to an early comedy bit hoping for a laugh.
And so now we see an old, unfunny, cranky old man, who attacks Limbaugh, etc., for stating their political opinions and for being “too smart to believe the crap they say,” even as he turns his non-comedy show into a nightly hour-long advertisement for the Obama Administration.
And speaking of being too smart to believe this crap– Edward R., who tipped me, says that Letterman also casually brought up the “death squads” Paul Bremer had brought with him to Iraq. That’s not in the clip, so I’m not 100% sure he said that, but it sounds par for the course.
And while Letterman always had a hard-on for Johnny Carson — a kinda embarrassing case of hero-worship — the irony is that Letterman is rejecting the Carson model of joke first, joke second, joke last, politics never, and moving into Lenny-Bruce-reading-his-court-transcripts-on-stage mode. While Leno, who didn’t seem to give a rat’s ass about Carson, is emulating Carson’s style of giving it to all sides equally.
Incidentally… I don’t think MacDonald intended the impression to be devastating. I think he likes Letterman, as most comics do (or did).
I think he just set out to impersonate him in a friendly manner. The trouble is, by doing so, he revealed just how thin and tired Letterman’s act was.






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Letterman hasn't made me laugh in ages, but his O'Reilly skirmish was informative. The Left simply can't acknowledge that the other side could have reasoned opinions. Can't do it. So we're charlatans … frauds. Meanwhile, he's as intellectually dishonest as they come. O'Reilly, who too often lets his temper get the best of him, consistently comes off well when he appears on the show. Calm. Cool. Measured. And much smarter than the host, who is hardly an amiable host if the guest doesn't align with his world view.
I'm so done with Letterman it's not funny. He comes across as a closed-minded fool.
We actually think Mr Letterman has done a valuable service here. In his isolated and secure cocoon-like existence he IS the Man, and his CBS cum New York City acolytes tell him so. So, when a true populist like O'Reilly shows David's true colors are displayed for all to see. And it is revealing. Our liberal friends cringe every time he does this because they think (and rightly so) that O'Reilly emerges the better man…
I think it's sad that O'Reilly can make one look old and cranky, and unfortunately for Dave he succeeded.
I posted this on Tim Slagles' Letterman post yesterday:
It's always sad when a clown grows old, but it's pathetic when they grow old and mean.
dcase – that's the million dollar question. Would a Letterman loving liberal watch that episode and say, 'geez, Letterman came off badly' … or would they simply applaud like seals when their man verbally assaulted his guest? I fear it's the latter. I hope I'm wrong.
Saw this on Ace of Spades earlier. It was goony. I'm not really much of a fan of O'Reilly, but he cleaned Letterman's aging and creaky clock.
Amen to all of the above! I have never found Letterman funny, and in fact, actually, painful to watch. Furthermore, from a woman's point of view, and for what it's worth, I find him extremely ugly. He always looks like he probably has terrible breath. That that gap-toothed forced grin – repelling – like a child molester outside a school fence. I wonder – if he's such an Obama fan – why doesn't Obama do his show?
I think a similar case can be made for John Stewart, his jokes are not funny but his sycophants giggle along anyway just to feel part of the crowd, and then he mugs and makes faces in a way that some high school freshmen girls might think is cute and that's about it. There is no there-there with Stewart's "humor".
The more you watch Letterman the more you realize there is a really mean hearted guy behind the mask.
Steven Colbert, on the other hand, is funny, even when I don't agree with his politics.
I think a similar case can be made for John Stewart, his jokes are not funny but his sycophants giggle along anyway just to feel part of the crowd, and then he mugs and makes faces in a way that some high school freshmen girls might think is cute and that's about it. There is no there-there with Stewart's "humor".
The more you watch Letterman the more you realize there is a really mean hearted guy behind the mask.
Steven Colbert, on the other hand, is funny, even when I don't agree with his politics.
the Kool-Aid crowd will never admit their man was bested- but would have an unsettling feeling afterwards if, for no other reason Dave's really petulant and poor performance… if you don't watch the man's show how can you say "I think about 50% of what you say is crap"? Even liberals can squirm through that…
What always bothered me about Letterman's schtick was that it's lazy — it pushes the onus on the viewer to come up with the joke. That can be a well used technique when there is no clear punchline even though the situation itself is somehow still somehow funny. But to do that all the time just struck me as lazy and not very funny. I always got the same feeling from the MTV hosts, who never could finish a joke (or a thought).
I was lucky enough to see 3 tapings when he was at NBC and thats when the show was funniest. There was something new to the comedy on the show back then…I got to see Seinfeld live and a few other big names. But now its all used up old stuff….
I see him as a no-minded fool.
But he minds us having conservative opinions, so he must have at least one mind.
The O'Reilly interviews were the final straw for me as well. Lettermen, the Daily Show and others have become a club that any conservative is made to feel unwelcome at. So fine, I don't watch. Let them be the echo chamber they wish to be.
Leno (who I generally don't find to be all that funny) gets my viewing since he DOES seem to care about giving it to both sides. He was a bit crude with his humor for many years but always seems to behave decently.
The sad truth is (and I say this as an ardent conservative) O'Reilly seems in most ways to be an arrogant person and if half of the rumors are true he is a letch as well. Yet he comes on Lettermen and plays the gentelmen extremely well to Lettermen's inhospitable host.
I may have to give O'Reilly the benefit of the doubt. I certainly won't give Lettermen another minute of my viewing time.
Comedy has always had a finite span, a life expectancy. Letterman had a time when he was innovative and witty-never really a laugh riot, but always interesting. That was 10 years ago and more. You are correct with the lazy aspect; he phones in a show that obviuosly bores him…
He has always reminded me of Howard Stern. He has to have a few suck ups on the set that will laugh till they cry at everything he says. If Howard Stern (and most morning DJ radio teams) were left on their own they would fail in a matter of weeks.
Bottom line, David Lettermen is not funny.
I dunno…I never thought much of Letterman, since his whole schtick seems to be "I'm too hip to make you laugh."
For my money, Camille Paglia nailed it years ago with "That smirking ass."
I too used to think Letterman was funny. I gotta believe at one time he was.
I think he lost his mojo when he lost out the Tonight Show to Leno … then he became a bitter, angry, nasty SOB … I think on some level he was just done with it and figured he'd pout until CBS fired him. But they didn't (probably because they wanted to appear hip and "in on it").
He just got nastier and meaner … biting humor can be funny. Bitter, angry, hateful humor is not (which is the real reason Air America has failed).
Oddly enough I think the same thing has happened to Conan only it happened AFTER he was guaranteed Leno's job.
That and BDS has really ravaged the creative class in this country … hard to find anyone funny anymore.
Carson was king. When Letterman lost his position to Leno, he started to lose whatever made him funny and over time turned lazy by deciding to just say things that he thinks his liberal audience wants to hear for easy approval. Well, there was a reason Carson didn't venture into politics–you lose half your audience. It took me awhile, but I came to find Letterman insulting with his putdowns of people who don't hold his view–like his view really matters–resulting in making his show no longer a nice comedy release but just another screechy person whose time has past. Like I decided several years ago with Sean Penn, Letterman is someone I will not watch.
I'm glad you mentioned Johnny Carson, Ace.
Where Johnny had Class in Spades, Dave has just become another tired old condescending liberal ass.
Not necessarily. If you can train a horse to count or a parrot to speak, you can train a late night comedian to say, "Bush. . . (smirk) D. Cheney. . . (smirk). Republicans. . . (smirk). I'm just saying. . . (smirk)."
Totally agreed. Back when he wasn't so disparaging – and the few times I have been to New York, I actually went to see tapings of his show. The thing that amazes me about the rich & famous Hollywood 'progressives" – is that they seem to hate our country so much – and they have succeeded beyond the imaginations of even those who live in this country.
It's interesting how for years I detected an undercurrent of unease with Letterman among "liberals" who sensed his early maverick, cynical persona might conceal a libertarian. Now that Letterman's gotten older, it's like he's going overboard to dispel any suspicions the Hollywood Left might have had about his loyalty to the Hive.
Maybe it's like a big pie, and squirrels had eaten most of it.
Obama blew billions only to admit that bankruptcy is now a viable option for GM. And we're analyzing Letterman?
I forgot to add that for me, Letterman's first show after 9/11 washed away a multitude of sins, past and future.
Maybe Dave needs to just stay with his intellectual equals. He and Mos Def could share a Nobel in Physics by describing their world view
You would create a liberal-mental paradox. You're talking about bringing together the "unfunnyable President" with the "always-funnying comedian". Their minds would explode. Let's try it….
Letterman was funny for about 10 minutes when he first started, Chris Elliot, Paul Shaffer Band, Larry Bud Mellman, musical guest it was cool. But like everyone has said up-thread it’s grown boring, unfunny and now a personal agenda. I haven’t watched a whole show in years. Carson was the best!
Hey, I always just thought it was me not being sophisticated enough to think he was funny……
I guess after all these years he really wasn't what everybody else told me he was…..
Makes me say hhhhhmmmmmmmmm……
When I first saw Letterman, I thought it was fairly innovative. But it didn't take very long to see the pattern. Point out something the audience might think is funny. Pretend you are telling a joke. Stop before the punchline is due. Smirk. Watch audience fill in the blank.
Like I said, that can be a good form of comedy, but it has to be used sparingly. It's the same thing as tossing a pie in someone's face. At the right moment, it's hilarious. But done all the time, it's really old.
I think part of what kept Letterman at/near the top for so long is that a lot of people are not willing to admit they don't get his jokes.
You're right. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.
He is kinda squirrelly.
I never thought Letterman was funny, all the way back to the first time I saw his show some 20 years ago, and Paul Scheaffer's stupidity made the show not watchable for me. I'm a Carson fan and find that Leno is funny despite his writers.
I used to watch his mid-morning show back before he moved to late night – caught it between college classes. I thought he was a laugh riot.
Carson was king.
Ok, so we now have reports that Obama gifted the Queen of England with an iPod, gave a cheap, ugly broach to the Prime Minister's wife, and the PM's youngest son got some Dr. Seuss books. I'm not much of a comedian but I could come up with all sorts of bits about our classy Prez.
O'Reilly clocked him, you say? I would have loved to have seen that!
But the ONLY way I would EVER tune in to that hack Letterman would be if that was somehow the ONLY channel still working on my TV, the radio and DVD-player were broken beyond repair, and every single one of my books had been completely chewed up by rats…
I'm with you. Letterman was always iffy when it came to laughs for me, but Paul Schaeffer just irritates the daylights out of me, so I could never stand to watch the show. Sounds like I haven't been missing anything lately.
if half of the rumors are true he is a letch as well
He definitely likes them blonde. Also, his segments on "look at the porn being pushed to your kids" where he then proceeds to show exactly what he's railing against–I find those to be a bit hypocritical.
Obama gave them Dr. Seuss books? That explains where his policies come from.
Me too. The only reason I saw it was Ace of Spades had the clip of the O'Reilly piece. I haven't intentionally watched the Letterman show itself in years.
Actually, I think he was getting policy advice from the youngster (5 year old and 2 year old boys). From the People.com report:
"For younger brother James, 2, there was a collection of 10 Dr. Seuss books. As for talks between the President and the boys? 'We talked about dinosaurs a little bit in between discussions of Afghanistan and Iran," Obama said with a laugh. "So we've had a wonderful time.'"
Actually, the idea that Obama's foreign policy is now being guided by a 2 year old is oddly comforting. That somehow strikes me as a pretty dramatic improvement.
Years ago I saw an interview Letterman did on 20/20 or Primetime or some late news show. I tuned it thinking it might be amusing. Instead, he could barely be pleasant. He came off cranky and condescending and reminded me of an old newspaper editor I once had who cracked jokes to hide his perverse, ugly personality. Spend a few minutes with him and you felt like coating yourself in bug spray.
That was Letterman. He didn't appear to be an optimistic or joyful individual. In fact, he seemed miserable and unpoetically tortured. I remember the journalist trying to joke with him and he nearly snarled in response. After that, his show persona just seemed fake, as it obviously is now that the jokes are running thin and the crankiness emerges.
Time for some Off spray.
Years ago I saw an interview Letterman did on 20/20 or Primetime or some late news show. I tuned it thinking it might be amusing. Instead, he could barely be pleasant. He came off cranky and condescending and reminded me of an old newspaper editor I once had who cracked jokes to hide his perverse, ugly personality. Spend a few minutes with him and you felt like coating yourself in bug spray.
That was Letterman. He didn't appear to be an optimistic or joyful individual. In fact, he seemed miserable and unpoetically tortured. I remember the journalist trying to joke with him and he nearly snarled in response. After that, his show persona just seemed fake, as it obviously is now that the jokes are running thin and the crankiness emerges.
Time for some Off spray.
That is true, but you can still give him an economics degree — provided the horse has the "right" political leanings.
O'Reilly is a blowhard, a bully and a lech. To the extent he is perceived as a conservative, he is a liability to us. Slam Letterman, but don't waste any effort defending O'Reilly.
The only thing I admire about the guy is that I heard he survived a quintuple bypass, which indicates that he's probably tougher and meaner than the Grim Reaper.
On the other hand, he appears to have come out of surgery brain-damaged- for why else would he be a liberal…?
The only thing I admire about the guy is that I heard he survived a quintuple bypass, which indicates that he's probably tougher and meaner than the Grim Reaper.
On the other hand, he appears to have come out of surgery brain-damaged- for why else would he be a liberal…?
The key for me if you're going to engage in political humor is your equality, your "side," or your lack of politics. You either tackle both sides equally and nothing and no one is sacred which is why South Park survives for me because even though it ticks me off on occasion, it ticks off the left too, you tackle the side I dislike all the time and keep me happy, or you don't touch either. Dave fits none of those and he's downright vicious and ignorant about supporting his personal agenda. I could tolerate him right up until the 2000 election was won.
I think we can see now how he formed his view of conservatives:
Not in the dark. Not on a train.
Not in a car. Not in a tree.
I do not like them, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not meet them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!
I'm not sure about that. Don't Geithner, Soros, Frank, Pelosi, etc., all have about the same intelligence level as a 2 year old? I think the good thing, however, is that the PM's son has a good bit more experience in international relations than does our Prez. God knows the boy has got more of a sense of proper decorum than Mrs. Prez anyway.
Letterman summarized his whole style on his very first appearance on The Tonight Show. He told a succession of jokes that got no laughter, and then paused, slowed his tempo, looked directly into the camera, and said something on the order of, "Can you believe it? Right at this moment, throughout the nation, I'm the only thing on NBC." That joke was hilarious, and the audience exploded.
It was a good way and, at the time, a fresh new way to handle a bombing act, but the humor depended on the act's bombing in the first place. For a comedian, it's better to get laugher with your jokes than with your indifference to your jokes' being bad.
I am really dating myself here but when I was an undergraduate a bunch of us would get together in the student union and watch Letterman's old daytime show. That was where he did things like the "Suit of Chips – Vat of Dip" and the "Suit of Velcro." Nobody was doing anything like that then and it was refreshing to see something other than the traditional Merv Griffin and Mike Douglas show biz shmoozing. He was an early exponent of the "ironic approach to entertainment" and he made irony both mainstream and cool. (In retrospect not the happiest of developments.) I don't watch Letterman much anymore but it's always depressing to see how unfunny and stale he has become. You would think that a guy with a bazillion dollars would know when to call it a day but it doesn't look like it.
All through high school I would stay up late every night to watch Letterman, even though it made me tired and cranky the next day. Now I can't stand the man and wish he would drop dead.
I only had the aorto-bifemoral bypass. Which explains why I'm such a sweet-tempered conservative.
I miss the days when he wasn't so smug and snide. Back in the day Letterman was like the regular guy that happened to get his own late night talk show. Now he is a Hollywood elitist, and as spoiled as the rest.
On the bright side, I am now in bed an hour earlier!
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O'Reilly is NOT A CONSERVATIVE.
He is every bit the true definition of a "NeoCon".
He's a statist schmuck with a wide socialist streak (which when combined with his social conservatism comes off as somewhat fascist).
I just wish FoxNews would dump the re-run of his show 2 hours after the first run and re-run Glenn Beck there since Beck is on at like 3 in the afternoon here (Mtn time) and most of us that want to watch him have jobs.
I'm not sure I would say David Letterman hated our country, but he clearly is very angry and bitter. His remark about Bremmer bringing in Death Squads to Iraq just proves that he has drunk the Kool-aid of the far left.
He commented about the Iraq war killing 500,000 Iraqis. I'm very certain that that number was also bandied about in the 90's as the number of people that died because of the Clinton's Embargo. I wish O'Reilly had trown that in his face.
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Yeah Dave is now officially the old coot that screams to get off his lawn. And he evens lacks the curmugeonly charm of Andy Rooney.
It's you can lead a horse's A$$ to water but it can't think OR drink it's (Letterman) just an A$$!!
I'm one of those who never found Letterman funny. Now, he's not only not funny, but he's outright embarrassing. I watch The Factor, and though O'Reilly can irritate me at times, it's the show that I like. With this latest appearance of O'Reilly on Letterman, I have to think someone will have the b**** to tell Letterman that it's not in his best interest to invite him back.
I agree with you completely. John Stewart is 90% childish mugging. I can't sit through it. It's not funny at all.
David Letterman is angry, mean and bitter. What he demonstrated with O'Reilly last night was what I consider the pathology of most leftists. If anyone makes a valid point, cognitive dissonance prevents you from accepting it. You either attack them, shout them down, or claim you're not smart enought to know really and quickly change the subject.
Steve Colbert? I really don't get. It's a one dimensional act and I don't find it funny. He seems less mean spirited then Stewart though.
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we will accept your verdict on Dave. Case closed.
Best retort by O'Reilly was when he asked if Letterman's mother was watching. When Letterman hedged, he calmly responded, "She is tonight."
How the heck did you manage to get the words "aorto-bifemoral" past moderation?
Weren't they afraid that it sounded suspiciously like an expletive?
I'm still a foul-tempered conservative, but maybe there's hope for me when it's finally MY turn to get a bypass (oh, wait- medicare will either be long bankrupt by then, or else will be made solvent by denying any and all treatment to aging white conservatives. So either way I'll probably be out of luck…).
I quit watching Letterman about two decades ago, when I realized he wasn't funny, just acerbic and usually offensive. I've only ever watched on a few, rare occasions since due to whoever may have appeared, then departed the show afterward.
Letterman's sense of humor isn't "funny," it's catty, sometimes cruel, always caustic. In other words, he thinks it's "fun" to cause pain to others. Which also sums-up Bill Maher's and oftentimes, unfortunatley, Jon Stewart's. They make being an arse "look funny" to others of similar points of view, like kicking puppies or something equally awful that a certain psychology will laugh at.
in order to create a paradox it would indicate that they can see both sides… goodness, let's try it!
Haha, Carole H., I think you've identified Obama's source of "Intelligence" — combine Dr. Seuss with Bill Ayers and you've got it about 100% identified.
No Mind …….
Is that a Zen thing
I enjoy O'Reilly's broadcasts. I disagreed with him yesterday, however, as to him labelling the expose of Joe Biden's daughter's drug-use as "an attack." O'Reilly's a very adept Q&A'er.
When has Bill O'Reilly EVER said he was a "comedian"?
He's Conservative on many issues, means he's Conservative as anyone can be, literally. Support for issues or lack thereof is almost always an indication of who is or is not Conservative. For example, O'Reilly is pro-life, pro-lower taxes, pro-small government, pro-Constitution, etc. I disagre with a few of his associations and views but overall, can rely on O'Reilly offering credible perspectives, particularly when he confronts "Leftwing Loons" as he calls them.
I enjoy his books, also. And I'm a Conservative. Ask me if you disagree with that. Ask me about issues.
Saul say it ain't so……
If that happens I tell you a story ………….. Don't worry we won;t force you to watch Letterman
Well, my comment is now gone. I laughed aloud at your comment, Carole H.: how appropriate!
Na- uh, it would be like that Cobalt Bomb on "Beneath the Planet of the Apes". Poof. Vaporized planet.
That is what made Johny Carson so good as well. It is impossible to stay at the top of your game 24/7 when people see you every night. The trick is to be able to bomb well. Johnny was a master at it and Leno is learning.
Why thanks, that's most kind of you sir!
If it ever comes to that, could you please read me the story of how the Evil Sheik Obama and his
Wicked Queen Michelle and Court Jester Biden lost the throne to the Brave Crusaders in the year
2012?
Funny, that's exactly how I view DNC conventions!
Great, let's move on to sentencing!
Letterman stopped being funny when he stopped wearing sneakers, and that was a LONG time ago.
In his isolated and secure cocoon-like existence he IS the Man, and his CBS cum New York City acolytes tell him
Which is precisely what's wrong with Obama. Change a few words, and you've got the same, stale political problem with Obama as you do with Letterman. Obama has never had (and now will never allow) any real opposition to his self-regard. He's his own circle-jerk.
Letterman is just a jerk. I never cared for him and always thought he had a mean streak a mile wide. Time to bring back the word, "small" for such men as he and Obama.
He stopped being funny after his heart problems and the gap in his teeth closed. Not sure if the 2 are related.
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It lloks to me like the Idiot from Indiana got a severe Spanking , Got his diapers Changed and left sucking on his BINKY!!!
O'Reilly took him apart over Limbaugh!!
Sadly, Dave hasn't really been funny since Merril Markoe left his show…..now, it's just sad to see the bitterness.
I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but Bill bested Dave, for sure.
he sure didn't win any converts last night, did he? Obama is, and has always been in a protective bubble, whether it was in his tony prep school childhood or his (bought and paid for) college days; it explains his preternatural self-confidence… if you do not understand the world or it's complications this whole thing looks easy. He will soon find out it is not…
250 hours of watching Jay Leno. 3000 hours watching Jimmy Kimmel. (the coutroom gasps!) A visibly shaken Letterman is led from the coutroom. A terse 'no comment' was issued when he was asked if O'Reilly was behind this…
May be the Closing of " The Gap" deprived the two remaining live brain cells from the Necessary Oxygen…?? Ya thinks??
I'm not sure he ever will find out. Self-delusion is soooo comfy, and blame-shifting is so fashionable among the so-called, "disadvantaged".
I wonder how he'll be handling his Bloomers Drops to Russia and China without a teleprompter in sight……
See also: George Carlin
your points are well taken; however one suspects that reality will rear it's ugly head and barf all over him at some point. It has a tendency to do that, and he has had it way too easy for way too long. The excuse making and blame shifting will reach critical mass; we just hope innocent folk aren't hurt in the crossfire…
Goodness! we liked 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes' quite a lot… James Franciscus was highly underrated as an actor and was quite good in this. His expression when he sees them worshipping the bomb is priceless…
Goodness! we liked 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes' quite a lot… James Franciscus was highly underrated as an actor and was quite good in this. His expression when he sees them worshipping the bomb is priceless…
The Paul Bremmer comment was in Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhUMyE_jWf0
Colbert is a little less mean. I know he's a practicing Catholic, and I've seen him treat committed Christians with a little more respect than his other guests.
It just may be that that the poor bitter delusional Clown of Letterman may find aplace among peers at MSNBC.. The House of Fruit Loops…
Right ON!.. They voted Blindly for Oblahblah and would misinterpret REALITY once again and think the Opposite of FACTS!!! FACTS tend to Confuse LIBTARDS you see.
YEAH But Riding the BOMB Like a Cowboy was UNFORGETTABLE….
the charitable side of us wants to say “Forgive them for they knoweth not what they do”… and our not so kind side says 'Suckers!'
yes, he could join 'Groucho' Olbermann…
note cards? mebbe not…
Dear Dave:
You won. Why are you still so angry that anybody dares to disagree with you?
Signed,
The Other 48% of Your Audience
It's a liberal thing.
Merrill Markoe. Letterman's old girlfriend. There's a name that I have not seen in a long time! When he had her guesting on his NBC shows — which I believe she helped create and headed up the writing — it felt like they were real soul mates.
Excellent article Ace! I too remember seeing the Norm MacDonald skit on SNL, and from that point on seeing Letterman in a different light. He also became more noticeably bitter after Leno, and not he, took over for Carson. His funniest moments only came during his anniversary shows where they'd take 10 years of material to get about an hour's worth of "laughs." I never really thought he was very funny, and now see him as a complete loser.
Perfect Carol! The mind of a liberal.
I come here not to bury Letterman. He's doing a good enough job all by himself. No, I came here to praise Norm McDonald, perhaps one of the most underrated funny men in the business. There are some heavily uncensored YouTube videos of him on Dennis Miller Live that are knock-down drag-out funny. In one video, 'Norm McDonald on Dennis Miller Live! Part 2', Norm recalls how he was telling gay jokes during a standup show in San Francisco. You know, to relate to the audience, LOL! Gut Busting Stuff. Rude as hell too, so be warned. Worth the trip
If only we could replace Dave with Norm. As the video here shows, he's already got Dave's routine down!
Hail Norm The Conqueror!
Are you people for real? I can't believe the asinine comments that I'm reading…Have you forgotten that we sent young americans to die in a foreign country unnecessarily? And the current administration will continue on that practice as well. And you're sitting around debating Letterman and O'Reilly? WTF!!!? Don't you see that you're getting DP by both the Left and Right! Letterman is no different than O'Reilly, and he's no different than KO on MSNBC they both make inaccurate, stupid and outlandish remarks. So when you and your children awake to find yourself living in totalitarian or police state and wonder what happen to your beloved republic… it will be exactly what you nimcompoops deserve!
I for one will welcome our new totalitarian nincompoop overlords.
Used to love Dave, never liked O'Reilly, although he did some good journalism, going after Jesse Jackson and the 9-11 charities. I'd find that more engaging than body language tests.
That said, the left's reaction to those Letterman interviews, as contrary they are to reality, says more about them than Letterman ever could. O'Reilly walks on stage and Letterman turns into an angry, brooding, filibustering hood, with spittle and indignation raining all over – sound familiar?
John Wayne is FN Dead! Move on (org) okay! Find a real hero.. Dude, he was just an actor. I repeat an actor.
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I never liked Letterman; always found him obnoxious & over-rated.
To me, the best thing Letterman ever did was to champion the music of Warren Zevon,
who was/is so under-rated and undeservedly obscure.
Time is too precious to settle for "slogging through the tedium" of boring TV time to get to a small percentage of good stuff. So many other options are far more rewarding.
What bothered me most about Letterman (and other talk show hosts) was how he would WASTE the opportunity of having an interesting guest by being such a robot (with his list of questions) that he did not follow up on obviously interesting topics. Example: Letterman asks an actress 'So what have you been doing?' Actress: 'Well I just made a film in South Africa with Marlon Brando, and I got a new house in the Hamptons." Letterman: "Oooh, tell us about your HOUSE." (and he never pursued the other topic)
Brilliant, Dave. DARE to be complacently narrow in your interests!
Chris Rock was one of the few talk show hosts I ever saw who was great about noticing a potentially rewarding conversational detour and being spontaneous enough to pursue it instantly.
I heard Letterman is bipedal – not that there's anything wrong with that!
I stopped watching the Letterman as soon as he starting openly preaching politics on his show. Activist liberals have a hard time laughing at themselves. Taking oneself too seriously is a mark against any comedian. Letterman needs to either hang it up and run for office or shut up and try to entertain.
He did make a first class weatherman, back in the day.
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Letterman looks like a textbook example of having the combination of self-loathing and epic egotism.
How repellant.
What has he got to be so angry and bitter about??
A man who can't appreciate how fortunate he is lives in poverty, regardless of his external wealth.
That habit of restless hand-drumming on his desk looks like
'I have nothing entertaining to offer, but I expect people to keep watching me anyway.'
Yeah, Beneath the Planet of the Apes is a good 'guilty pleasure' flick…
Linda Harrison as "Nova" … Yeah, I could devolve back to caveman level for her…
My favorite moment in that flick was General Ursus giving that pompous speech, part of which was
"All that matters in the end is power – naked, merciless force!'
You do realize that this website is about pop culture so this fits the bill. That being said many of us here are aware of what's going on in the country and we are upset about it. So, please do us a favor and calm down. You're not helping your cause.
Yes, because variety is the spice of life, and we can find tons of wearying Obama-slagging all over mass media, so why suggest that tiresome topic should usurp this topic, which might be more fun, for a break?
Why choose a monotonous media diet of 'Oh it's so AWFUL!' ??
Why suggest it for others when they're having fun for a moment?
Lawhawk – my apologies, but aren't you referring to Dorothy Parker's definition of 'horticulture'. "You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think."?
I'm the Milton Berle of Big Hollywood. I never met a line I couldn't steal. Needless to say, Dorothy Parker was one of my favorite acerbic wits. Her review of Winnie the Pooh when the glorious Dorothy was Constant Reader for the New Yorker still cracks me up. "Tonstant Weader fwowed up."
"I'm the Milton Berle of Big Hollywood."
Not including dressing in drag I trust, uncle Miltie.
You can lead a horse to water, but if you get can get him to float on his back, THEN you've got something!
M A K E U P !
Speaking of that Lettermen bit Norm Macdonald did, looking back it was the season that a lot of us felt wasn't that great, but it was because it followed all that great early 90s stuff. Getting back to O'Reilly and Lettermen… why aren't there reruns of old SNLs from those years on anymore.:)
Yeah, I'll move on (.org) for a real hero. Maybe Michael Moore, he can share some hot Halliburton investment tips. Of course, this is a site named "Big Hollywood" and the Duke "was an actor," the third most popular today according to a recent poll, so forgive me and my moniker, it plainly has no concordance here.
And with such a coherent and facile argument I can see you are in for a long posting career around these parts. Where else do you ply your trade? DemocraticUnderground? Maybe nickelodeon.com.
See you around, Pilgrim.
And there was a LOT of them, suckers that is.
If I spent all my time consumed with everything that's wrong in life, I'd ump off a cliff. Sounds like you're teetering on the ledge.
The problem with Letterman is that he thinks he's too cool for school,
and what's worse, his audience thinks they are, too. " I watch Dave so therefore I'm hip and happening."
Same thing with SNL and Stewart. and Maher. "I watch these shows so I know what's happening, dude."
Bruce Springsteen even said so!
Funny, when O'Reilly was on, Letterman mentionted the word "goon", but Dave's audience,
and certainly Mahers, are filled with them.
Has Viacom gotten any "stimulus" money.
If so, Geitner should put a cap on Letterman's salary.
There's no way his performance is worth what he's getting paid.
And as a musician I have to say that Paul Shaffer is as annoying as they come. The guy should be playing at an El Toritos not on network TV.
What a cornball he is.
Has Viacom gotten any "stimulus" money?
If so, Geitner should put a cap on Letterman's salary.
There's no way his performance is worth what he's getting paid.
And as a musician I have to say that Paul Shaffer is as annoying as they come. The guy should be playing at an El Toritos not on network TV.
What a cornball he is.
"But he minds us having conservative opinions, so he must have at least one mind."
More like blind reflex.
ROTFLMAO! (Or as Dorothy would say – WOTFWMAO!)
Good point. It's possible to get galvanic responses from a dead frog. Hadn't thought of that.
It's late, so it took me about five minutes to figure out the second one. VERY funny.
That Letterman impression is brilliant, wish I could see the whole sketch.
I stopped watching Letterman after he did a "Great Moments in Presidential Speeeches" bit which took something George Bush said out of context and made it appear to mean the opposite of what was actually intended. I was already somewhat annoyed at Letterman, but that was the last straw.
It is also worth noting that Norm Macdonald is something of a conservative. Here's a clip of him praising John Mccain and the Iraq surge strategy when he was on the O'Reilly Factor last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0Hpa44f3c
True. Did you happen to catch his act right after 9/11? He was all for payback, all in full support of our government's right to defend its citizens. I have it on my hard drive somewhere. But he went on at length explaining why he supported the government 'on this one'. There was lots of 'kick some a%%" and all that.
He even said something to the effect of: "Pacifism is all well and good, and a noble effort, but we're not there yet folks. Both sides have to play. It doesn't work if only one side agrees to it."
He seemed to forget these words of his or the words of George Orwell: "Pacifism at time of war is treason."
Yeah, Shadows and Fog. Big loser. Great short story, though, from one of his books. I think it's called The Kleinman Episode or something with "Kleinman" in it. Right, the only modern Woody film I like is Manhattan Murder Mystery and Bullets and those are not even new.
Right after the election, there was a very interesting and well written essay/rant posted on the net attributed to Dave. I couldn't believe it myself, that he actually wrote it, considering the lambasting he gave Bush every night on his show. Because the essay was very supportive of Bush and our safety since 9/11. Anyone know of this essay or its real author, if it wasn't Dave?
Slim Pickens as Maj. "King" Kong!
You haven't heard? He took 12 Teleprompters with him! It was all over the news today.
As I recall John Stewart had mustered his courage right after 9/11as well. It didn’t take long for their political proclivities to surface, huh?
Letterman is starting to remind me of Rosie O'Donnell when she had her show. It started out funny and light and then she went crazy with all of her radical political crap and everyone tuned her out. Now no one wants to touch her with a ten foot pole. At least Letterman is closer to hanging up his hat and can retire with some pride.
Carson still is the standard by which all late-night shows are measured. To this day, they all fail to make the grade.
Hey Pounds,
For me, I'm not so interested in the political as the cultural. Of course, there is a place where they intersect, and I'm not blind to that, but straight politics is a blunt instrument as far as I'm concerned. It's the daggers of entertainment that seem to do more of the damage. I like having all of these smart people point them out for me.
Man is that spot on. When Norm did Letterman, and I do think it wasn't intentional, it ended being a ruthless interpretation of the man. I thought Norm was a genius after I saw that one. That and by being the best Weekend Update Anchor of all time
The David Letterman show jumped the shark years ago. He went from fun & silly humor to bitter, hateful, & preachy politics. Leno & Kimmel make dave look like an amature. Norm MacDonald rocks.
His audience also lets him get away with letting it be known that he doesn't listen to Limbaugh or watch O'Reilly–or any other conservatives–but is perfectly fine with accusing them of lying and/or ignorance without questioning HIS honesty or intelligence. They're nothing but a bunch of trained seals.
one of the muckity mucks at Fox gobbled her up quick- gorgeous beyond belief…
Oh just do us all a favor and jump anyway.
I was having a bad day.
Right on let us just Goose Step behind Oblahblah into the Upcoming demolition of Individual freedoms and the end of America as envisioned by the founding fathers into the Corrupt State that Alinsky, Ayers, and Marx have taught to the Messianic Orator…. Freedom has its pricew BUT only the Few are willinf to pay for it.. Certainly not the Limousine Liberals Right Pooks?
I still remember a cartoon from the old British magazine, "Punch", from years ago where some indignant editor was shouting at some smug young female writer, "Dorothy Parker – always Dorothy bloody Parker! If the women who quoted Dorothy Parker were laid end-to-end, why I wouldn't be surprised!"
I still remember a cartoon from the old British magazine, "Punch", from years ago where some indignant editor was shouting at some smug young female writer, "Dorothy Parker – always Dorothy bloody Parker! If the women who quoted Dorothy Parker were laid end-to-end, why I wouldn't be surprised!"
Letterman is network television's Bill Maher.
All he needs is a permanent cast of Donahue and Phat Moore to complete the deranged triology…
Yeah.. he said all that when he still had a half dozen live brain cells to work with.. ALAS being on the payroll of CBS ( Cretin Broadcast System) he has been reduced to TWO live brain cells after all the Beatings by LENNO…
Just a thought, but I think the whole thing with Letterman goes back to his disastrous stint as host of the Oscars. He had a joke about Oprah and Uma that bombed, went into disfavor with the Hollywood elites he depends on, and has spent ever since sucking up to them. O'Reilly is totally in love with himself and can't let anybody get a full sentence in before he interrupts. However, there is so little else going on in television that doesn't support a liberal agenda, that I cannot criticize him too much.
Best Comedy show on TV is the Senate and House DIMI C Rats attempt to justify their Marching Orders from Pelosi and Reid over the Disaster that the Budget actually IS… Pathetic bunch of MORONS!!! Not really Funny after all just SICK!
Since "war" is a dirty word to Lefties, what about "defense against wackos intent upon blowing us up"? I know it's long and convoluted but it doesn't use the w-word.
By the way, interestingly, going back on "w-words", the Lefties ARE consistent. They don't like w-word except when it's applied FOR Leftism. WWII – AGAINST until Hitler (Socialist) invaded the USSR (Communist).
Korea – against (fighting against Commies)
Vietnam – We know where THAT led.
Grenada – Against (fighting Communists)
Bombing the snot out of Serbia – YEAH – Go get the right wing bastards! Bomb the kids. Blow up the civilians. Kill the effers.
Iraq – Vietnam Redux. Who cares if Saddam was gassing Kurds? Bush started it (even tho' he wasn't in office at the time)
Afghanistan – 2001to2008. "Whythehell didn't we get bin Laden?"
Post Obama – let's make lovie dovie with the "moderate" Taliban. (which is like being a "little bit" pregnant).
One of Letterman's main problems is, if you add on his weekday morning show on NBC that was basically a warm-up for the Debut of "Late Night" in 1982, Letterman has been doing the same act for pretty much 28 years! Do a time-line forward on Johnny Carson's talk show host career from his debut on "Tonight" in 1962, and 28 years equals 1990. And while Johnny is fondly remembered now, by 1990 he was taking both Mondays and Tuesdays off, and people were talking about how he was losing touch with the younger viewing demos (by mid-1990, the buzz was all about Arsenio Hall's new show, which is one of the reasons why Bill Clinton went there, and not on The Tonight Show, to toot his saxophone).
Letterman made numerous threats over the years, both at NBC and CBS, to retire, but if he keeps going (and avoiding jokes about Obama) into the 2012 election cycle, he'll have been a talk show host longer than Carson. And if Johnny was running out of gas by the early 1990s, Dave's show is running on a set of used Triple-As leaking battery acid. He might as well give it up and move back to California the way he always wanted to, but considering how far into partisan political snark and away from straight comedy he's gotten, I doubt he'll be willing to give up his political platform by retiring from the show (though if Conan starts thumping him at 11:35 Eastern next month, CBS may start to wonder if they can't find someone better than Dave to host the show)
I never liked Letterman either, even when the guy I was dating in college thought he was absolutely hilarious. There was always something mean and ugly beneath the surface of his schlocky grin and demeanor. He was the kind of jokester that made me want to slap him. "Think thats funny? Joke about this! THWAP!"
Bill O'Reilly sets me off every now and then too, but nowhere near as much as Letterman…and I like that O'Reilly obviously brings out the worst in Letterman.
Right after 911Rosie O'Donnell said George Bush was her "hero".
Right after 911Rosie O'Donnell said George Bush was her "hero".
So Pookiedog is actually David Letterman.
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Here's a transcript:
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