ZoNation: Defending Palin, Calling Out Liberals
by Alfonzo RachelDouble Dosage!!! Sorry, I got a bit behind on Shhhtuff, so I hope I can do a lil’ catch up with ya! Here’s me lookin’ out for my womens like Sarah Palin, and a vid lookin’ at naughty Nidal after the jump.
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This guy needs to be on TV. I love EVERYTHING he does.
Enjoy your insight into the foolish way people are taught to believe labels.
this guy makes too much sense.
Two great comments.
Sarah Palin is the most uninformed and illequipped person to ever hold a public office. She is clueless to this countrys needs and is basically amilf joke. Even the McCain campaign knew this…albeit, to late.
repeat after me in 2016…
PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN!!!!!
Get used to it now.
2016? LOL!!!!!!!!!! Unless it is Ron Paul 2012, this country is finished.
I love your comments about "the educated." Reminds me of Bill Buckley jr's comment. Palin is a joke, though. You are being led around by the media who is TELLING you Palin has any standing at all. The media chooses losers like Dole and McCain for you to support because even if they win they are so weak and easily manipulated the media still wins.
As for video #2 you are clearly….and demonstratively WRONG. "Only three of the 763 "sneak-and-peek" requests in fiscal year 2008 involved terrorism cases, according to a July 2009 report from the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. Sixty-five percent were drug cases.
Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/23/watch-do...
Also, the Patriot Act had no bearing on the slow reaction to the 9/11 planes. That was simply because 9/11 was an inside job.
"Sarah Palin is the most uninformed and illequipped person to ever hold a public office."
And after three more years of what we have now, she will look like the most "informed and experienced" person to ever hold office.
I seriously HOPE you are not an Obama supporter telling US, WE are being led around by the media telling us who has standing and who doesn't. Because that kind of hypocrisy is too much even for me the LiberalHypocrit.
Muslim states surrounding Israel? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one asked the Jews to take over the Palestinian's land. And the Jews don't care about you in the slightest.
YOUR tax dollars at work. Rabbi endorses killing GENTILE babies. Where are the pro-choice people…hmmmmmmm? I guess the Zionist-lunatic-finge has them scared into silence.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128767.html
I second your motion. All in favor?
Aye!!!
How was she ill-equipped to hold office? I.E. she did what to sink Alaska? What exactly do you consider the country's needs? Personally, I think a little job creation might help about now! As for the McCain camp, I have to give it to them–bad campaign–not the fault of Governor Palin. I just hope it's not too late for our country.
It's really hard to take anything someone going by the handle "TonyTwoShoes" has to say seriously. And then he goes and confirms that feeling by opening his mouth via the keyboard.
2:37 Cackle.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I feel sooo sorry for you! To what end? And if you say "oil", then freakin' PROVE it!
Tell it like it is Zo! Always entertaining, and to the point.
Zo, you struck a nerve. Tony's head exploded.
To what end? Who benefits? Israel. Not only has Nuttyyahoo admitted Israel benefitted greatly by the attack but there were 5 Israelis who were arrested by the FBI for their strange behavior while filming the WTC collapse. I bet their film showed the first impact.
Boo-yah, Zo — another great one. Thanks!
Me, too!!!!
Tony Two IQ is obviously a clueless hack, er…I mean, a typical LIB. Same thing.
Sarah Palin's book "Going Rogue" has created-or-saved more jobs than 0bama's 'shamulus' bill.
Zo you're making Two Shoes cry.
ditto
That was my reason not to vote for Obama.
Joe, I just gotta know something. I've wondered about it since the first time I saw your name in these comment threads.
Were you once in a band called "Sweet Release," sharing singing duties with a guy named Bo? It would be a huge coincidence if you were. I managed that band for a while. Here's hoping you see this comment and answer.
BTW, I've enjoyed your comments in here, my Conservative brother.
I'm keepin' all my Gentile babies in da HOUSE!! I sure don't want some hinky Rabbi spilling that precious Gentile blood!
HEY, TONYTWOSHOES — Stop the hate, OK? It's unnecessary; it's unbecoming, and it's boring as hell.
Jews are our friends. If there's a particular Jew you hate, more power to you. Maybe he or she is an ass, and richly deserves your hatred. But, if you hate all Jews, there is something majorly wrong with your hardwiring. Stop it, you dumb-mass.
Are you aware that Jewish doctors and nurses, all across the U.S., work extra shifts during the week of Christmas, to allow their Christian colleagues to take the holiday off? I don't think you know a whole lot, brother. Study up. Let go of the hate.
I am NOT an Obama supporter, rather a Reagan conservative, and Tony is absolutely right. The media DID pick the Repub prez candidate. Don't believe it? Then you weren't paying attention starting two years before the RNC convention. NYTs, pundits, and every liberal clown on TV picked McCain. Guess what? So did the Repub's. Of course it helps Repub hierarchy tends to hand out the nomination like a gold watch to end long party service.
Didn't vote for McCain, won't vote for Rommy. I'll either vote libertarian or for a pedigreed Republican.
Tony Two Shoes… in the mouth? The amount you can fit in your mouth at once? The amount of pairs owned? What women say to you, but spelled all cutesy?
Answer whenever you can. I know you are busy being a racist, waste of flesh, hack-wacko. Paranoia/hate is very time/life consuming.
No, that's not me. But I do dig all kinds of music and still play a bit.
Thanks for the feedback, brother! Sometimes I get so pissed, I have to vent.
What of the Muslim doctors?
Love Zo. Can't wait to see more. I agree with Ttom – Zo would do well if he hit the big stage. (No insult to Breitbart intended). More please!
Oh, look, a little junkie what needs to wipe 'is nose!
Right on as usual, Zo. Oh, and poor widdle Tony. Chuckle.
Zo I hope you can get on Fox news like Crowder has.
You might want to reconsider that, given the performance of your Pres and VP.
Once again, you are sadly mistaken.
"IF it is Ron Paul 2012, this country is finished."
There, fixed it for you.
Are you joking here? Because if not, what are you doing, because that must be some pretty potent stuff. Seriously, have you SEEN the media's reaction to Palin?
Ah, but you're the guy who believes Ron Paul would be a good choice and generally has no understanding of Modern History. I understand.
"Also, the Patriot Act had no bearing on the slow reaction to the 9/11 planes. That was simply because 9/11 was an inside job."
Or perhaps (as Occam's Razor sez), the Patriot Act WASN'T EVEN IN FORCE during 9/11?
And while I will concede that happened, all that shows is that the Israelis were (in this case) being almighty dicks. Which is separate from being guilty. As for guilt, AQ has provided us with the evidence implicating them many times over.
"Muslim states surrounding Israel? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Look. At. A. Goddamn. Map.
"No one asked the Jews to take over the Palestinian's land."
Because they DIDN'T. The Jews were easily the oldest Palestinians in existence, having lived there continuously for two millenia, far longer than the Arabs, and even if we buy into the idea that the Palestinians are descended at least in part from the Philistines, they still have a roughly tied count.
And the territory of most of the modern state of Israel and much of Mandatory Palestine was in fact purchased after WWI LEGALLY. By the Zionists. From the Arab elite.
You were saying?
"And the Jews don't care about you in the slightest."
And to be honest, I don't particularly care about them. I am concerned about their endangerment by our mutual enemy, the Islamists, and their rights as individuals, and their loyalty to a nation or cause where applicable, but those things aside, I honestly wouldn't think about them that much.
"YOUR tax dollars at work. Rabbi endorses killing GENTILE babies. Where are the pro-choice people…hmmmmmmm? I guess the Zionist-lunatic-finge has them scared into silence."
So, we have one kooky Rabbi who richly deserves the Rotten Tomato treatment. At least.
Has he actually been able to get anybody to do it? And is he humored by the mainstream?
Those are the REAL questions.
I think you will find that the gap between him and the Islamist clerics is quite different. Because for whatever that waste of skin has said, he at least has hardly been able to get people to do it.
Sure, they picked the GOP candidate, but can Palin really be blamed for that, particularly given that she was easily to the RIGHT of her running mate and most on the GOP (particularly after Thompson dropped out for reasons I have no idea about)?
I love you, Zo!
jealous much?
or just your PDS leaking out to go with your hate America attitude
I like M.Minnesota's idea about Zo on Fox. So, for those of you who enjoy Zo's commentary like I do, why don't you send an email to Fox News and let them know you would like to see Zo on their network. I will and hope you will too. I watch Zo on Pajamas TV, but with his talent he needs a more expansive venue that can deliver his unique political and social perspectives to a larger audience.
First time I have heard of you Zo. I wish you much success.
tonytwoshoe is rahm emmauel doing his ballet dance in drag
obozo has all his staff and czars watching the Real Americans – they are the new thought nazis
he splattered obozo with his goo
oops……………
you should have been around for carter – he did a real sneak, peek and dump on America
at least with obozo – he did not slip up on the Real Americans as we saw him coming before he left chitown
obozo will be on tv on monday taking shots at zo
we can count on jesse jackson to condem ZO for not be a real bro
Just sent this to Greg Gutfeld, Redeye@foxnews.com
Greg,
Quit procrastinating! Get Steven Crowder's buddy from Pajamas TV, Alonzo Rachel, on Red Eye. Zo is fresh, funny and righteously politically incorrect. Don't make me talk to your mother about this. Just do it!
Aye
If Palin is so poor, just how is it that she effectuated such progress in Alaska. Unlike most of the Left, she actually accompllished things to help her State and her constituents.
As to her knowledge of what the Nation needs, she is an expert regarding energy (that's certainly something we need as a Nation), she has a demonstrated record of rooting out corruption, even if it's in her own party (looking at the number Congressmen and members of the current administration who are, shall we say, ethically challenged, the Nation really could use a dose of charater, and don't even get me started on ACORN), and the economy (don't forget that Alaska runs a surplus with no taxes, Washington, and this administration in particular, has no idea of what fiscal responsibility means.)
Seems to me that, rather then being illequipped, Palin is exactly what Washington needs.
And as to your amilf fantasy, stick to (small) dogs, chickens, and chipmunks. Maybe they won't laugh.
Better than normal sir. VERY pointed and accurate assessments.
Keep it up!
Yo' Zo, ain't you "Black", haven't you been characterized as an automatic supporter of saint Obama, how could you be for the "White" (Albino) woman? How could you slip through the cracks of the divisionary tactics and side with the opposition!!!! They've spent tons of OUR money and their time trying to indoctrinate (Educate) you into believing you are a different kind of American, one that must be segregated, it's obvious they wasted OUR money on you!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good work, be a thorn in their side, wake as many up as you possibly can!!!!!! We are all Americans, regardless of skin tones, contrary to their teachings!!!!!! RIGHT ON BRO'……….!!!!!!!!!!
Zo…. you are too cool! Hey, how can we get you to replace Katie Couric… wait… scratch that… we need you in Congress! … or maybe teaching in the schools! Keep up the good work.
Uhh….. she quit her job, abandoning her constituents who gave her the honor to serve in office in the first place. That doesn't exactly look great on a presidential hopeful's c.v.
Yeah, we really need a quitter. Let's not forget that she blew town when the going got tough. And as far as rooting out corruption goes, you mean like….. when your town gives a no-bid multi-million dollar contract to your husband's pal's construction company, and you just *happen* to get a new house at the same time, built from the same materials that your local recreational facility was just made out of? Hmmmm…. When it comes to her "energy policy," all she knows how to do is consume it, not conserve it, or invest in alternative sources. This woman is a complete walking disaster, which is why I hope the Republicans as stupid enough to nominate her. Talk about ensuring another Democratic landslide. Not that they've done anything useful with their new-found political capital, but still….
Last time I checked James, we the people still had to vote for somebody, so it may just be a coincidence that the media chose the right candidate early on. You are right about this James, I wasn't paying attention. The last thing I WOULD EVER DO is to let any praise or criticisms from the "NYT or liberal clowns on TV" influence my decision on who to vote for. But setting your absurdly ridiculous statement aside, I'll agree with you that the RNC does tend to hand out nominations according to tenure.
To the Right of him? What does that mean? Define "Left" and "Right." It isn't Left vs. Right – that is a shell game to fool you. It is the State vs. YOU.
First off, voting now is so easily manipulated it is meaningless. That was the purpose of electronic voting.
Secondly, you are partly right. Much of the blame lies with the zombies who watch tv and don't think for themselves. So, even if we still had the vote some blame lies there.
Thirdly, yeah "vote for somebody." Some choice. Vote between two AIPAC and CFR stooges. That isn't a choice. Why do you think both our main political party candidates (Bush and Clinton[Gore]) ended up supporting NAFTA. That was after lying about it and then vocally opposing it but in the end voting for it.
As for the RNC, look who was given the role to run it. An inept liberal anti-gun guy with a Black face.
Yeah, non-stop talking about her to keep her in the public eye. "Oh, no, Republicans don't throw us in the briar patch by picking Palin next time." You are so easily manipulated. If they didn't like her, they would ignore her like they do real conservatives like Paul Craig Roberts, Joe Sobran, and the like.
Uhhhh…she resigned as Governer of Alaska because of the frivolous and unfounded lawsuits being filed against her both distracting Gov. Palin and her administration from actually governing AND potentially wasting HUGE amounts of the state of Alaska's money. It was the prudent, right and – dare I say it – intelligent thing to do. Perhaps you should get your information from somewhere else other than MSNBC, NBC, CNN, etc. You know, REAL news sources that report facts, not rhetoric, emotion and outright lies.
See above. You really do need to find different sources for your information.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! *drawing in breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, THAT IS RICH!!! A liberal telling conservatives that we are "easily manipulated"!!! Oh, oh, oh….wait….I have to catch my breath…..un-freakin'-believable.
Bwahahahahaha!
you libs are a scream.
trollish behaviour deliberately throwing out anti-Semitic crap so that you can start a pi$$ing match.
ZO, you REMAIN THE BEST!
Name one other politician who has quit their job because of personal lawsuits being filed against them. Perhaps because, as the saying goes…. where there's smoke….? She was a public servant, elected by the people of Alaska to govern for the full length of her term. That she was unable to deal with her professional and legal obligations is not the fault of her constituents. Bottom line, when the going got tough, she quit. And if she can't handle Alaska, she SURE can't handle Washington. By the way, I get my news from the BBC. Maybe YOU should get yours from sources other than Fox, Breitbart, and Drudgereport, eh?
See above. And do you REALLY think there's nothing suspicious about this recreation center deal? Her husband's drinking buddy gets a multi-million dollar no-bid contract and she winds up with a new house made from the same building materials that she is unable to financially account for? If this was a liberal, you and the conservative media would be putting her on a pillory on a daily basis, and you know it. That the "liberal" U.S. media hasn't, only reflects just how boring, corporate, and centrist they've become. This woman is a political atrocity, and if that's the best that your party can come up with then you really might as well just disband and start over. You're close enough to implosion as it is…
Oh, my goodness. Aren't you too "het up" for words! So, if I hear you correctly, you are saying that Sarah Palin should do what other politicians do: waste the governments money on trivial matters and continue to take a salary from that same government while being impeded from actually governing by idiotic, greedy liberals and lawyers. Did I get that right? Andrea, what is it about Gov. Palin that scares you so much that you, and everyone like you (liberals hell-bent on destroying America), continue to denigrate her even though she is no longer in office? Or is it just that you are jealous of her ability to truly have it all? At this moment, she is of no threat to you…..unless you consider being a FANTASTIC role model for young girls everywhere a threat.
Since you apparently cannot find a diccionary or the time to google it…
Right-Wing: Noun, Adjective
1. The Physical Right wing of something (bird, house, etc). Noun
2. A piece of political vernacular. Refers to an organization, individual, or other group that tends to be more nationalistic, trusting of the military, supportive of Individual ecconomic rights, and social restrictions based on traditional (usually religious) morality, and (in Democratic cases), suspicious of government intervention in the political sphere, supportive of equality of opportunity over equality of result, opposed to attempts to induce unnatural economic or social equality (welfare, quota system), etc.
Used in contrast to the Left Wing, which is usually more internationalist, more trusting of the political establishment as opposed to the military, and more in favor of economic restrictions without social restrictions, in favor of government intervention to try and "fix" society, and who tend to support equality of outcome over equality of opportunity. Originated from the sitting of French Monarchists in the Right side of the National Assembly, while the Moderates sat in the center and the Revolutionary die-hards sat in the Left. Noun, Adjective.
Left-Wing: Noun, Adjective
1. The physical Left wing of something (Bird, House, etc.). Noun
2. Apiece of political vernacular used for political identification, refers to groups, organizations, or individuals, usually more internationalist, more trusting of the political establishment as opposed to the military, and more in favor of economic restrictions without social restrictions, in favor of government intervention to try and "fix" society, and who tend to support equality of outcome over equality of opportunity. Used in contrast to the Right Wing, which usually refers to an organization, individual, or other group that tends to be more nationalistic, trusting of the military, supportive of Individual ecconomic rights, and social restrictions based on traditional (usually religious) morality, and (in Democratic cases), suspicious of government intervention in the political sphere, supportive of equality of opportunity over equality of result, opposed to attempts to induce unnatural economic or social equality (welfare, quota system), etc.
Derives from the French Revolution, where the Monarchists sat in the Right of the National Assembly, the Die-Hard Revolutionaries sat in the Left, and the Moderates sat in the center.
HAPPY NOW?
And while I can agree that it is a political shell game, it is unfortunately a political shell game that is very much authentic, and very much relevant.
Please fight the charges that Sarah Palin is a liar, fool, ignoramus, and quitter.
I forgot to add "In favor of International Intervention" in the Right Wing definition, and "opposed to International Intervention" in the Left Wing definition. And I am sure I overlooked some other matters.
However, that is still a fairly adequate definition.
Yeah, she did a GREAT job with Bristol, eh? What a role model…. for hypocrites. Actually, I'd rather denigrate the media and the book publishers for even giving this idiot a platform to spew forth her ignorant venom. That she has somehow slipped through the cracks is a testament to how low we have sunk in this country when real political discourse is replaced by reality tv-style personalities who pose as serious politicians despite their complete lack of knowledge about even the most fundamental issues that are affecting us globally. To think that I'm "scared" of her is 180 degrees wrong. I'd like to see nothing more than her get the Republican nomination in 2012. It will be Reagan/Mondale in reverse, particularly since the Dems are gonna get this health bill through and will pretty much be unstoppable after that. This was the last chance for the Republicans to turn the tide, and they blew it (bear in mind, I'm not a Democrat and I didn't vote for Obama, Kerry, Gore, OR Clinton). Yeah, us liberals…. hell-bent on destroying America. God forbid we should aspire to do better than 37th in the world on healthcare, 18th in education, or to extend full civil rights to all our citizens, make our water, land, and air cleaner, and stop allying ourselves with terrorist states so that we can grab as much oil as we want. God forbid that we gain the respect of the rest of the world because we earn it, rather than through threats and intimidation. What a pipe dream, eh? We should probably just quit voting and kick back in the lazy boy with some freedom fries and cherry coke, watch nascar, and let jesus take care of everything.
And again, you seem to think that these lawsuits just came from nowhere. PALIN'S shady deals caused them to happen. The "frivolous" lawsuits were an attempt to bring her to justice for her abuse of tax payers money. Get it straight.
"Yeah, non-stop talking about her to keep her in the public eye."
So, am I supposed to believe the media supported NIXON and BUSH? Yeah, you had a LOT of talking , all secretly in support of her, in order to build her up and keep her in the public eye.
And keep in mind this in in between accusations of lying about who the father of Trig is (which is not merely not a political issue, it is flatly refuted by photographs taken and almost certainly the medical records).
" "Oh, no, Republicans don't throw us in the briar patch by picking Palin next time."
You are so easily manipulated."
No, you are SO easily deluded. Sometimes, the angry media scraping for dirt and human blood is… actually the angry media scraping for dirt and human blood. And when they want to truly attack someone, they will do exactly as they have been doing, as we saw in 2004 and 2000 and even far earlier.
" If they didn't like her, they would ignore her like they do real conservatives like Paul Craig Roberts, Joe Sobran, and the like."
A. GAH! You think THOSE idiots are real Conservatives? Sorry, but in that case, I will have to alter the definition to "mentally handicapped people with no concept of history." Seriously, these people can see a multi-continental Israeli conspiracy, but they NEVER can open a book on 19th or early 20th century history to learn about things like, oh, the Russian conquest of the Caucasus and the guerilla war between the USSR and Georgian nationalists during the 1920's, or the evolution of the Modern Jihad. That, and there is the fact that as a movement, you have far more bark than you do bite: a lot of talking and ranting, but no numbers to back that up. Perhaps the reason the media hasn't reported on you is because THEY DON'T VIEW YOU AS A THREAT? I know, scary thought that you will probably seek to ignore to the best of your ability.
B. Again, the fact remains that Palin largely came to the top not because her jurisdiction was important, but because she did have one and she assumed a leadership role in the powwows held by the RNC, and because she attracted a large national constituency via the Conservative radio and blog medias. Your side has failed to do that. So cut your petty whining out and stop blaming us for the inability of your own idiotic ideology to attract a large audience.
And it isn't the best, but again, when confronted with frivolous and outright false slander and lawsuits that impair one's ability to execute one's office, WHAT ELSE is someone to do?
I might have prefered if she shouldered on, but after 2008, I think I can understand her needed a break.
Andrea2929, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer now area you? Complaining about Palin "abandoning her constituents" for the reasons she did is EXACTLY why libs/dims/socialists such as yourself are clueless to exactly how a politician should act. You see, knowing she was working at the whim of the people, and realizing she couldn't do that without 1) being distracted by lamestream media continually challenging her 2) libs/dims/socialists filing frivilous lawsuit after frivilous lawsuit thereby causing her constituents financial harm, she did the right and noble thing. Resigned. Just out of curiousity, what was it BJ Clinton did after being caught getting a hummer in the WH? What was it William Jefferson Davis did after being found with some cold hard cash? What was it Marion Berry did after being caught doing coke? What did the magical negro do after being found to have strong associations with known terrorists? Yeah, that's right girl, you got it. NOTHING. Continued playing the game as if nothing ever happened. Pathetic is the word for these morons.
"Name one other politician who has quit their job because of personal lawsuits being filed against them."
Oh, I can probably find a few sooner or later.
"Perhaps because, as the saying goes…. where there's smoke….?"
There's a damn nasty fight that would tear most people apart.
"By the way, I get my news from the BBC. Maybe YOU should get yours from sources other than Fox, Breitbart, and Drudgereport, eh?"
Ah, slander and projection. Believe it or not, I actually DO struggle through the BBC, and NBC, and CNN, and CBS, and the local Californian news organizations. Because while it is a pain in the @$$, it is worth it.
Now, have you actually examined Fox, or Breitbart, or Drudge to confirm what you THINK you know?
Funny indeed. So, international intervention is WHICH one, now. Buy a clue. Both are in favor of internationalism. Look at Bush and the North American Union!!!! Look at CAFTA, etc….. Look at him and illegal immigration. You can define things however you want but defining it your way just means the Right Wing is non-existant in our two political parties.
We need someone who will stop all imports (except maybe oil) to spur domestic industrial capacity. Stop all immigration legal or otherwise. Stop all these wars for Israel. See, all these things would benefit the AMERICAN people and not satisfy some global interests yet no one is even talking about that. Our whole political system is co-opted. And it shows. Quality of life is dropping like a rock and this is only the beginning.
Who's liberal?
I don't waste my time on Fox, but I read Drudge and Breitbart every day. Drudge has, sadly, gone the tabloid route in the last year or so, and his unwillingness to admit any success on the part of this administration (few and far between though it might be) really undercuts his ability to call himself an objective news clearinghouse. The day the dow re-crested 10k, it was a minor, small-print mention on the bottom left of the page. If McCain had been president, it would have been the huge font headline. I realize that's a rather loose example, but you know what I'm saying. I like this site, because it's quick on the draw for political headlines, and there is always room for some good discourse on these boards, even if I find myself to usually be a lone liberal in a see of red.
No, the "frivolous" lawsuits were from a Dem attack machine terrified if they did not bankrupt her, she would stay in politics. Even the Alaskan courts were indicating that the suits were frivolous and politically motivated, but that they had to, by law, to go through the system. And talking about role models = Did Crack in College; unwed, under-age mother; spent 20 years in a church that preaches "God Damn America", "I hardly know him he just lives on my block" Ayers (who has been a frequent White House guest – according to the guest logs the WH was forced to release).
"Yeah, she did a GREAT job with Bristol, eh? What a role model…. for hypocrites."
So.. do you have children? And if not, do you know ANYBODY who does? Have those children ever rebelled against their parent in spite of the parent's best efforts and intentions, resulting in something bad happening?
Are we REALLY supposed to blame Palin for the "youghful indiscretion" (to use a euphemism) of her daughter doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what she was told?
If so, than you need to join the real world.
" Actually, I'd rather denigrate the media and the book publishers for even giving this idiot a platform to spew forth her ignorant venom."
I smell projection. So, what "ignorant venom" are you referring to?
" That she has somehow slipped through the cracks is a testament to how low we have sunk in this country when real political discourse is replaced by reality tv-style personalities who pose as serious politicians despite their complete lack of knowledge about even the most fundamental issues that are affecting us globally."
So, I take you you voted for Obama, Ja? Pot kettle black.
"To think that I'm "scared" of her is 180 degrees wrong."
Perhaps not scared, but the outright hysterics from you on this issue means that we can hardly discount the possibility. And even if that is actually not true, it matters litte.
" I'd like to see nothing more than her get the Republican nomination in 2012. It will be Reagan/Mondale in reverse, particularly since the Dems are gonna get this health bill through and will pretty much be unstoppable after that."
GAH! Obviously, you have NOT NOTICED what has happened in Europe and Canada recently, HAVE YOU? So much for the BBC.
" This was the last chance for the Republicans to turn the tide, and they blew it"
Blah blah blah blah blah. I have seen records of similar projections of doom since the 1930's (when the Democrats had the FDR-Truman run), and have been hearing it since the 60's and 70's, and actually for the Dems in the 80's and in 2004.
And I have long since learned to not believe any of it. Because if you actually KNEW anything about how politics work, it is that the pendulum tends not to shift one way for to long, and the Dems on Health Care will HARDLY guarantee them the everlasting loyalty of the nation. Just the opposite, if the lessons of Europe and Canada are anything to go by.
"(bear in mind, I'm not a Democrat and I didn't vote for Obama, Kerry, Gore, OR Clinton)."
I will believe it when I see your voting record.
"Yeah, us liberals…. hell-bent on destroying America."
Honestly, even if you do not intend to do so, it sure as hell seems like you are trying. Law of Unintended consequences familiar to you?
"God forbid we should aspire to do better than 37th in the world on healthcare,"
Which we actually ARE. Oh, are you referring to the oh-so-scientific "studies" that grant high prizes to those nations with unaffordable social security/public healthcare debts that cannot even afford to operate all their equipment and have largely depended on bringing foreign medical staff in, like Britain and France? The private system is not perfect, but it is infinitely more efficient and sustainable than your public model. Canada and Europe are LIVING examples of that.
" 18th in education,"
And pray tell me how do you intend to fix that? Supporting the teachers unions? HOW?
"or to extend full civil rights to all our citizens,"
Um, newsflash: WE HAVE. What "full civil rights" have we denied to "our citizens?" Marriage? Not a civil right, even though I DO support homosexual marriage. What do you mean.
"make our water, land, and air cleaner,"
At WHAT cost? And HOW?
"and stop allying ourselves with terrorist states so that we can grab as much oil as we want."
Tu quoque? You haven't heard me defend Obama, have you? I didn't vote for the guy, and I won't in 2012. That doesn't make Palin any better, just because she didn't inhale (well… who knows, actually). Also, have you ever spent time in Alaska? If you had, you'd know that their legal system, along with most of their city and state politics are run with the political equivalent of a bootleggers respect for the laws during prohibition. I have relative who live in Nome, and the stories you hear about how deals are made, and who receives justice would make your head spin. The saddest thing about Palin's scandal is that it's ginger beer compared to the kind of corruption that happens in that state. But then, when half of the cities don't have roads connecting them to anywhere else…….
Proof? Examples? More slander?
"God forbid that we gain the respect of the rest of the world because we earn it, rather than through threats and intimidation."
Don't worry. He has, apparently. Because those who cower to other nations and who beg their enemies to be liked tend not to last long. Take a look at Iran revealing that its nuclear weapons program actually HAS been working. Or Russia's movements to evict us from our Central Asian bases.
Your model of diplomacy failed in 1936. And in 1956. And in 1976. And it will fail again and again and again. Those who cannot learn history shall be destroyed by those who have, and who have taken the lessons they learned to heart.
" What a pipe dream, eh?"
Yes. Because you obviously have never studied much history or current events, for all your high-and-might declarations to the contrary.
" We should probably just quit voting and kick back in the lazy boy with some freedom fries and cherry coke, watch nascar, and let jesus take care of everything. "
Are you mentally handicapped? Because that is by FAR the most immature use of a strawman I have seen on this thread yet. And considering that Tony the Holocaust denier is here, that is saying a LOT.
But even so, I would actually endorse that over your pipe dreams. Because while both would fail, at least sitting down watching NASCAR would be far more relaxing and less inexpensive. And I don't LIKE racing, only moderately like Cherry Coke, and am not a Christian.
Or perhaps you thought your proposition actually made SENSE in comparison to that? Think again.
"And again, you seem to think that these lawsuits just came from nowhere."
They didn't, but you are assuming they are all justified.
"PALIN'S shady deals caused them to happen."
Do you have any PROOF? If not, that is libel.
"The "frivolous" lawsuits were an attempt to bring her to justice for her abuse of tax payers money.
Get it straight."
Oh puh-leeaze. When even the NYT comes out and all but admits that aside from one incident, that is true, perhaps it is YOU that needs to get out of the whole.
And look who was calling people hypocritical and uninformed.
I supposed Obama's house deal with Rezko was all on the up and up? and Mrs. Obama's big raise after he got her hospital money? In a job they haven't felt the need to fill after she left? If you don't like corruption then you should feel equally bad about it on both sides, or see the media hyping up things that aren't real on both sides. I suppose the media goes after Palin correctly and Obama incorrectly?
"you mean like….. when your town gives a no-bid multi-million dollar contract to your husband's pal's construction company, and you just *happen* to get a new house at the same time, built from the same materials that your local recreational facility was just made out of? "
A serious charge. Got any proof?
"When it comes to her "energy policy," all she knows how to do is consume it, not conserve it, or invest in alternative sources. "
Perhaps. But she at least has been pushing to have our reserves in ANWAR drilled, so that we can buy some time from the evils of foreign oil (isn't that what you have protested against in the past) so that we can actually research better ways to conserve and alternative energy sources to develop.
But you, of course, never mention that. How fitting.
And as for the rest of your post, it is mere slander and AH without a whit of evidence. Particularly ironic, because you are supposed to be the "educated." one.
How ironic.
"See above. And do you REALLY think there's nothing suspicious about this recreation center deal?"
Perhaps there is. Do you have any proof, though?
No proof, no response. You will just be wasting our time.
So if you are not going to show proof, GET a move on.
Hell, even TONY could cite a source for those of his claims which actually had some basis in reality. And the fact that a Holocaust denier is looking honest compared to you is pretty damming.
"So, international intervention is WHICH one, now."
Can you read?.
"Buy a clue."
I would, but I do not know how to ship it to you.
"Both are in favor of internationalism."
Interesting.
Define Internationalism.
"Look at Bush and the North American Union!!!!"
You cannot truly look at a mirage. And NAFTA, contrary to your accusations, was hardly plans for the North American Union.
"Look at CAFTA,"
There isn't much to look at.
"Look at him and illegal immigration."
I have. And I was not happy, but that still is hardly proof.
" You can define things however you want but defining it your way just means the Right Wing is non-existant in our two political parties."
Not so. Have you actually ever walked out of your hole and looked at the mainstream? I never SAID that every Right winger subscribed to every single last one of the points I mentioned, only that they subscribe to a good deal of them. Your point is?
"We need someone who will stop all imports (except maybe oil)
to spur domestic industrial capacity."
Great idea. Because hitting the consumer with artificially high prices shall do WONDERS for economic growth and industrial strength, ja?
Oh, and pray tell me HOW industrial strength will grow if access to foreign resources that we need but do not have is cut off?
"Stop all immigration legal or otherwise."
I will ignore a cheap-shot regarding legal immigration and ask how this will work? And why will it be beneficial?
"Stop all these wars for Israel."
Don't we actually have to HAVE one before we can stop it?
" See, all these things would benefit the AMERICAN people and not satisfy some global interests"
Nope. Particularly not in the Digital era. Insular isolationism is rarely a good recipe for prosperity or strength. See Spain and Portugal 1945-1970.
" yet no one is even talking about that. "
Because it makes no sense.
"Our whole political system is co-opted. And it shows."
Perhaps.
" Quality of life is dropping like a rock and this is only the beginning."
Got any proof?
"I don't waste my time on Fox"
Honestly, examining the opponent's movement's is rarely wasting time. There is a reason I occasionally listen to the (gag) Alex Jones Show and the like, in addition to the more palatable(and even a few LESS palatable ones, such as Mother Jones) Left-of-Center sources : because examining the enemy's movement's is rarely wasted time. And after all, if your opponent makes a gross error and nobody watched it, did it really happen?
"but I read Drudge and Breitbart every day."
Fair enough.
"Drudge has, sadly, gone the tabloid route in the last year or so,"
Agreed.
"and his unwillingness to admit any success on the part of this administration (few and far between though it might be)"
Examples?
"really undercuts his ability to call himself an objective news clearinghouse."
Which would only hurt if he did call himself that.
"The day the dow re-crested 10k, it was a minor, small-print mention on the bottom left of the page. If McCain had been president, it would have been the huge font headline."
Which it would not deserve in either event. Because the main influence the government's actions have that can be directly seen on the market tends to be downwards. I do not believe that the government had much of a role in the DOW's resurgence (such as it is), and it was more like Wall Street crawled back out of its bunkers and started to get back to "business as usual."
"I realize that's a rather loose example, but you know what I'm saying."
Fair enough. But again, examples?
" I like this site, because it's quick on the draw for political headlines, and there is always room for some good discourse on these boards, even if I find myself to usually be a lone liberal in a see of red."
A. That depends on how you define "Liberal" (and you really don't want to go there, trust me).
B. Fair enough.
The Governor has more executive experience in one of her eyelashes that the Affirmative Action President has in his entire body including the Teleprompter.
In times when Politicians are like leeches (they will never let go) and are looking after their own interest first, it is REFRESHING that Governor Palin resigned for the good of her State and to better serve America.
Yes, there will be people with the brains of Tina Fey or Katie Couric who will hate Sarah Palin regardless…these are ‘zombies’: they will do as told.
But the fact is that We The People are fed up with the Washington slimes, the Media knows Sarah Palin has the ability and the support to –if she wants- become President and clean both houses!
"Great idea. Because hitting the consumer with artificially high prices shall do WONDERS for economic growth and industrial strength, ja? "
Consumption is not the economy, PRODUCTION is. We produce less and less and the economy is shrinking rapidly.
You need proof quality of life is decreasing? It is you that needs to get out of your hole and look around.
Ahhh…. well done Turtler. This is why I come here. Now if you'll allow me to retort.
1) You are correct that children rebelling against their parents is nothing new, nor is it grounds for condemning your average parent. HOWEVER, when you have a sanctimonious politician who publicly makes moral judgments against a large section of the population (for instance, gays), and who relies very heavily on the "family values" political ticket, I believe they must be held to a higher scrutiny with regards to their own personal life. If she was just another moose-hunting housewife clipping coupons, I wouldn't have a problem with her daughter having a whole little Alaskan brood out of wedlock or whatever.
2) Ignorant venom? How about the fact that she has accused Obama of being a Socialist? Or that she is a creationist? Or that she things homosexuality is not a choice and gays should be religiously "reprogrammed?" Shall I continue?
3) As stated, I did NOT vote for Obama, my presidential votes since 1992 have been: Perot, Nader, Nader, Nader, Nader.
4) Comparing European and Canadian politics with what is happening in America is inane. We may be inextricably tied economically, but a swing right in one country, doesn't ensure a matching swing in the other. After 8 years of Bush/Cheney, this country DECISIVELY moved left, although "left" is what "center" used to be 30 years ago. In any case, 2016 might be a different story altogether, but the Republicans don't have a prayer in 2012. They don't have a consistent platform other than "the Democrats are ruining the country," they actually consider Palin to be a viable candidate, and whether or nor he was responsible for it, the economy will recover on Obama's watch. Icing on the cake will be the passage of the health care bill. 2012 is a slam dunk for the Dems. Count on it. Political pendulums only shift when there is failure by one party and a cogent solution by the other. That ain't happening here.
5) The private healthcare system is MORE efficient?! *doubled over with laughter*. 25% percent administrative costs, 16% of GDP, we have 45 million uninsured and another 25 underinsured, 45k die each year due to lack of coverage, and 800,000 go bankrupt from medical bills they can't pay and you say it's BETTER than Canada's system?!? I have some real estate in between Brooklyn and Manhattan I'd like to sell you. I have lived in England, and spent a lot of time in the rest of Europe and Canada. I can tell you first hand that for the average, working class person (who make up the bulk of the population), our system is a travesty in comparison. Single payer is the only real solution.
6) How do you improve education? How about funding public schools equally and ensuring that the worst, inner-city school still has modern infrastructure, heating, air conditioning, working plumbing, enough desks, computers, and books for every student, along with food programs so that no student goes hungry (read Jonathan Kozol's "Savage Inequalities" for an expansion of that suggestion), and make public universities free, just like our public schools, and pay teachers a living, progressive wage. If we can throw hundreds of billions of tax dollars at corrupt, inept banks and corporations to prop them up and bail them out, we can certainly make sure that Johnny from the projects has a decent lunch and internet access.
6) Full civil rights… yes, I was referring to gay marriage. Glad we're on the same page on that one. We can split hairs over the use of the word "civil", but since it is a legal institution that requires court documents, I suppose we could make an equal case on either side……
7) Make our land, air, and water cleaner? To answer this would take a whole dissertation, but ultimately, the power rests with the consumer. I don't like the idea of mandating all these things, when the responsible choices should be obvious to us. Buy fuel efficient cars, drive less, take more public transportation, and carpool whenever possible. Recycle. Compost. Use energy efficient appliances, lightbulbs, etc. Buy locally, eat seasonally, support local organic farmers, eat less animal products, use biodegradable products. If you have land, grow a garden. If everyone made a personal effort to do all of these things, we wouldn't need the government to step in. But hey, we live in super-sized American, and trying to get Americans to stop eating Big Macs is like trying to take away a chew toy from a pit bull.
Terrorist states? Saudi Arabia is the largest supplier of oil in the world. We buy more oil from Saudi Arabia than any other country. Saudi Arabia spends more money in the financing of extremist terrorist groups than any other country. If we stop buying Saudi Arabian oil, we hit them where it it hurts, and we aren't chained to a country whose draconian political system makes a mockery of all things Democratic. That's one example, the footnotes of which I'm happy to provide, should you require them.
9) Ok Santayana…. before you give me the whole "Those who don't learn from history" bit, let's back up a trifle. In 1936, we were an isolationist country. We made virtually no efforts to deal with Hitler diplomatically. Granted our stance would have been rather strange, considering we sold oil to Mussolini when he invaded Ethiopia. So much for fighting fascism, eh? Our only efforts were to supply Britain with supplies (lend/lease), and eventually we dragged ourselves in after Pearl Harbor got bombed and 1.5 million Jews got gassed. Had we begun a united diplomatic effort say…. in 1934/5 and worked to isolate him economically and politically, things might have been very different and the entire horror that was WWII might have been avoided. Then again, it wouldn't have given us a chance to show off our shiny new a-bombs and stake our claim to a post-war domination of southeast Asia. There is a difference between placating and pacifying, and working diplomatically with other nations to limit the abilities for rogue nations or leaders to do business. And to compare the past to the present overlooks the fact that we don't live in a WWII-style world anymore, politically or economically. Our biggest threat ISN'T any one nation or leader anymore…. it's small-cell terrorists who, for instance, hijack a few planes and go on a rapturous joy ride. Evolve or perish, as the saying goes, and to thing that all of our problems will go away with cold-war style defense spending is erroneous at best, gut-wrenchingly wasteful at worst…. especially during a time when our dollars need to be spent more wisely.
9) Never studied history? Well, I've got a Master's in American History from Boston University that would disagree with you on that point, and in about 3 years, when my dissertation is published, again, we'll have to agree to disagree. Now sure, I don't pretend to propound that degrees equal, intelligence necessarily, but I have…eh… done my homework. Just because we disagree, it doesn't mean I'm uneducated or ignorant. You'll notice that I'm not accusing you of being uneducated, just because you're a Republican. I'm just implying it.
10) It was an intentional straw man argument. Hyperbole, in fact. I vote. Every time. And I write a heck of a lot of letters to my representatives. I wish more true liberals would start doing that and stop wasting their time on HuffPo, which, for the record, I never visit.
`11) I'm not necessarily saying they are justified. That's for the courts to decide. I doubt we'll ever know really what happened, and it's only libel if I say that she is guilty of what she is accused of. I'm only echoing what she was accused of. I wasn't there, so I don't know what really happened, but the evidence doesn't exactly put her in the best light. I strongly suspect that, because she is an Alaskan politician, that her hands are dirty, but I won't go the route of ad hominem attacks, because I know they don't hold any water. But it still stinks…..
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