We’ve Heard The Arguments For Stem Cell Research Before

Excellent work! You have given me a brand new argument to use in this discussion. Thank You!

The funding of embryonic stem cell research is disturbing as for the first time, the US government has officially declared that a particular segment of the human race may be expendable for the benefit of curious scientists. A whole classification of human beings are now deliberately omitted from Constitutional protections by the very government sworn to treat all people as equals under the law.

It is now official US policy that this segment of humanity is not only unprotected, but may be bought and sold as property. The property may be held as long and experimented in any way as the 'owners' want without interference and with taxpayer dollars; with the 'bonus' of no concerns about 'morality' being raised.

Obama wants 'science by concensus' and concerns regarding medical ethics will no longer be allowed to hamper 'science'.

After all…issues regarding human life are 'above his pay grade'.

Zooooooooo!!
My week begins to look brighter, now that you have popped another vid on us.

PJTV paying your RENT!?

Next thing you know, you’ll be wearing your hat on straight and coming to work in a three piece business suit, ranting about how you’re “workin’ for da man” and all.

I can’t wait till my little boys get home from school today so they can watch your new vid.
They learn a lot from you.
So do I.

Keep your hands out of your pockets and loosely at your sides my man.

Not Over.

Damn. Brilliant. Zo, how'd you come to think the way you do? I grew up with liberal parents, and I used to toe the party line back in the day. My wife had to pretty much beat the sense into me. That method doesn't exactly work for the masses, so I'd love to hear how you came to believe what you do. In this society of blacks as victims, whites conservatives as oppressors, what does it take to bring someone's head from the sand?

Embryos ARE human beings (no need to “believe” or “feel”, its a fact, just like cars are solid is a fact, you can “believe” they aren’t, but when you get hit, you will “know” you were wrong.) If you were to look at your DNA from when you were sperms and eggs, then look at the DNA from the embryo, and then 6 months later while still a fetus, the DNA would be tangibly different on a chemical basis.

These differences are important as they allow some genes to turn on and then turn off. Its important for some structures to develop rapidly in utero in order to make the jump from cell ball to embryo or from embryo to fetus, and they have little “booster rocket” growth promoter genes that can drive the growth of an organ at impressive rates. For example, your kidneys take less that a week to go from two cells to two functioning kidneys. Without the epigenetic switches turning off these growth genes, we would have tumors of the liver and kidney (like you have in Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome, an epigenetic/genetic disease of a growth factor called WT-1.)

Putting unprogrammed cells into a person is really not a good idea. Adult stem cells are being proven over and over again to work better and more safely. Modifying adult cells to behave like stem cells is also ahead of embryonic stem cells.

This is a classic Obama move. He gets the Chronic Illness industry to throw him a bone with tragic children on the nightly news, and he gets the ignorant liberal base fired up over a non-issue (easy to do as they are all about “feelings” and not about taking hard science in college). By the time these cells get to a patient, the other treatments will be commonplace and all the problems associated with embryonic stem cells will either not come to pass due to market pressure or be the problem of the next guy.

Basically, a bunch of great press at no real cost to him.

Dissent isn't patriotic anymore. You didn't see the bumper stickers?

While announcing that the federal government would fund embryonic stem cell research Obama made pains to proclaim cloning "profoundly wrong."

My response to that is, "why?"

Why does letting a cloned embryo *live* become "profoundly wrong" when creating one and killing it is acceptable?

My feeling on this is that killing is wrong, and life is right. I don't see a moral problem with creating a cloned person (with some qualifications on *how* that happens) who is logically and scientifically nothing more frightening than a time removed identical twin person. (And because of mitochondrial dna, even less identical than a twin.) I expected to disagree with Alfonzo on this, but instead found that he's actually named the one concern I find valid, and the one concern with which I entirely agree.

Personhood.

Moral problems (to understate the gravity of it) occur when we define some varieties of human life as not-human. The moral issues with human experimentation, cloning, and whatever, are solved by a single very elegant thing… personhood. Any time we define some living people as not-human for whatever reason… because they are too unformed, too small, too damaged, too old, created in a lab, or the wrong race… we've got problems. Serious problems. Science fiction has explored clones as replacement parts, exact duplicates, modes of immortality, monsters… and by now it's pretty old hat… a clone is an individual, a twin, not a duplicate, and growing a new body means growing a person and if that person is used for parts, or an old personality is "downloaded" into a new body, then there has been a murder.

Perhaps allowing embryos to be defined as not-human, not a person, requires that clones also be defined that way. Not-human. Not a person. And yes, that would be profoundly wrong.

The other option is to understand that embryos are human persons. And human clones are human persons. When that is understood, the solutions to the moral quandaries involved are almost elegant.

Don't kill people.

There are no words in my vocabulary to express how grateful I am for you Zo. I was able to show my 13 year old son a viewpoint that came from the mouth of someone other his mom and he listened. It was your videos. YOU were able to explain to him in a voice that he was willing to listen to – thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! (Still waiting for delivery on my t-shirt. it will be 5 weeks tomorrow!)

Excellent.

I’d like to comment on the medias deception, which many here are aware of so this will be for the benefit of the bedwetting leftists. When the media talks of stem cell research they don’t break it down into the various groups: adult, embryonic, umbilical. Instead they simply use the phrase “stem cell research” and tell their audience that those opposing embryonic stem cell research are opposed to all stem cell research. Of course nothing could be further from the truth but this is how the media plays its games of manipulation and deception.

Also Bush never banned research of embryonic stem cells, he banned taxpayer dollars funding this morally repugnant research. The liberal idiots [redundancy] in Hollywood were free to put their money where their mouths are and pay for it themselves. But as we know liberals, even the rich ones, love spending other people’s money, just not their own. Now obama is using our tax dollars to fund this research that many find objectionable. Obama and the donks are such despicable dregs.

Obama has no soul and no religion. Let's recap and explore some historical parallels; a child of questionable legitamacy is born to parents of shady character, an Atheist and an African. About 100 years earlier a child is born to an abusive father and a young mother who is also a niece of said father. Father from Africa disappears early in son's life. Abusive father of 100+ years ago also is a minor character in his son's life. Both have unnatural attachments to their mother or grandmother. One "finds" himself in the military, the other in various schools. Both have considerable political skills, even at a young ages. Both rise quickly through political organizations, attracted by the "even playing field" promised by socialism. One becomes a Democrat, the other a national Socialist. Both achieve high political office by taking a rather direct route, rising from party leader to national candidate rather quickly. Once elected both quickly move to consolidate power and draw up "enemies" lists and seek to muzzle critical media. We know how the Hitler experience turned out, what national and international damage will Obama cause?

You're a moron

What cunning intellect! What reasoned arguments! Surely, we are in the presence of a mental giant! Mr Stupid, Sir, you have convinced me of the error of my ways. I never saw things in that way before, until you expressed them with such succint clarity. Truly, Sir, thank you.

embryos = potential disenfranchised voters?

Breithack Andrea Peyser is looking for more celebutards – she has a new one with this macho sauce Alfonzo clown.

Once again, and I will type this slowly for you 1950's GOP freaks…stem cells are found in e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e…and Obama is opening the doors for stem cell breakthroughs unheard of the past eight years: aka, The ERA of Republican NO TRUTH.

For example, an 8-year old's 'baby teeth' have all the cell stem data needed to cure the child of Parkinson's when
he/she is 80 years old… it has nothing to do with killing babies or recycling them! of course you cannot hear this
until you hear it from who – Mitt Romney???

It wil take you GOP iditots at least 80n years to STOP this ridiculous, divisive and utterly Hitler-esque conservative/ liberal crap! Well gotta go – am sure Rush Limbaugh is on some corny talk radio station telling his lemmings
stem cell research is for, wha? socialists?! HA – living in the past must be really confining.

Stem cell breakthroughs were coming along quite nicely the last eight years without Federal dollars for …and I must repeat carefully for a few posters here.. EMBYRONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

In fact, private embryonic stem cell research has met with as much progress as Dan Rather finding that unique TARG IBM typewriter, while adult stem cell research is showing far more results.

I meant TANG.. I was silently going 'AARGGHH' at having to explain it to the son of Cheech and Chong.

To Jamesb,

Fascinating comparison. Please let me know where you pulled the research on Hitler. I'd love to be able to use this in my own arguments.

I am a big fan of Alfonzo and view his conservative rants as refreshing discourse, so eagerly needed in today's secular, unthinking pop culture. I post his videos and other thought pieces on Twitter and Facebook. I am certain I have turned off several associates, but I simply don't care. One of the essentials for conservatives is to first outline our core principles in a compelling and current way. It's always effective to use fundamental truths against the baseless fluffery of liberalism. The truth wins every time.

Thank you.

Cadey

Man, you've got style and one heck of a mind! Congrats on the PJ TV deal!

I don't think smoking-is-good-4u knows what an embryo is. Typical liberal troglodyte.

Hey knucklehead… read skating on glues post above…
Your post proves one of our points about liberals… you spew talking points, don't do any research, and hate on those who disagree with you.

Chief Justice Taney agrees with President Barack Obama. Some people are property.

I'll be first in line to buy Zo's book whenever it gets done and is released.

Wow, what breathtaking ignorance you exhibit. The whole reading for comprehension thing just a bit beyond you, innit?

Yes, you nit- stem cells are found in everyone. Further, as I stated way up at the top of this post, breakthroughs in ADULT stem cell research are taking place near daily.

But that's not the issue. The issue here is government funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research.

That's two different words, isn't it? ADULT. EMBRYONIC. Say them both out loud. S-l-o-w-l-y.

Well done you! A shiny gold star for your lumpy forehead!

Moving forward – your grinning moron hero just enacted gov't funding of EMBRYONIC research- perhaps it will take you at "least 80n years" to get that through your brick filled skull.

That's the problem with sneering condescension, you idiot- when you don't know what you're talking about- as in your case just now- you look like a complete imbecile.

Congratulations, you are a certified bonehead. And here's a hint- smoking crack is not "good 4U", particularly if you have pretenses toward arguing in anything like a coherent fashion.

Now scoot! I'm sure your minders at the Kos day care want to check your diaper and give you a juice box.

Gads, you're a putz.

Mr. Stupid has that effect, blistering intellect this guy.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/60Minutes/tabid/371/...

Kid gets help with stem cell treatment

Honestly this whole 'we won, you lost get over it.' bit is beyond hypocrital. Bitching for eight years was 'over it'? Still bitching about about Bush is over it? STILL bitching about Reagan (some even wishing a painful death on Nancy because she loved a man they hated) is over it? I dont think I've met one liberal in my life who has ever had something not to whine about, who has ever gotten over anything. They could stub a toe and hold against the nightstand for a few years. Hell, they may try to open an investigation to see if the goverment had a hand in the tragic attack on their toe.

I will stop dissenting and 'get over it' when your party can do the same.

==Force the 9 to decide when a embryo/fetus becomes a person==

They can rule only on what is brought before them. They cannot make up arguments for one side.

This is a Legislative issue. The Legislative defines.

So, Montana and North Dakota are in the final stages of defining "personhood" as beginning at conception.

This action is the result of Roe SCOTUS:

"If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the [Fourteenth] Amendment."

In other words, had Texas brought a definition of "person" before the Court, the Court says it would have had to rule the other way. As I say, Montana and North Dakota are fixing that.

==ADULT STEM CELLS WORK!!!

EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS DON'T WORK!!! ==

Okay, okay, I hear you.

They, however, are part of the culture of death. The culture of death is the result of Liberalism disease. They don't care about adult stem cells.

That's some first rate ranting! Excellent news about your deal with PJTV, anything that helps you reach a broader audience is good news IMHO.

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