Bring Back June Cleaver: PCTV Too Real For My Taste
by Alicia ColonWhenever I watch a retrospective of the Golden Age of Television, I find the shows considerable less entertaining than television I’ve watched as an adult. The Golden Age actually refers to the dramatic programs, sometimes broadcast “live” starring many great Hollywood stars and written by terrific writers. But I was watching television then from the mean streets of the barrio and usually from a neighbor’s house because we couldn’t yet afford a TV set. My perspective of the era is skewed in favor of the sitcoms and variety shows that presented an escape from my reality.

What is noteworthy, however, is that much of television during that time period was considered politically incorrect but in a strange way was actually more honest. How can that be, you may ask? The fake domestic bliss of “Father Knows Best,” the racism of “Amos and Andy,” the sexism of “I Love Lucy” and so on. Yet there was a lot more credibility in those shows as entertainment than in the supposedly PC programming that probably started with Norman Lear’s “All in the Family.”
Many critics thought that show was daring but it wasn’t anything but a Hollywood liberal bashing conservatives. Archie Bunker was the bigot with the heart of gold arguing with Lear’s true hero, his son-in-law, Meathead, who was able to spout leftist rants that enraged and ultimately flummoxed Archie. The mere fact that Bunker lived in Queens, NY and not in the Deep South was a giveaway to Lear’s prejudice and cowardice. New Yorkers have always been more socially liberal than the rest of the country so it was all just a spineless way to trash the blue collar Christian white man. In actuality, Lear who was born in New Haven, Ct. based Archie Bunker on his own salesman father, a middle class Jewish man who regularly railed against women and minorities.
By the mid 1960’s, my family had moved out of the rat-infested tenement and were lucky to move into a housing project but we were still in crime ridden Spanish Harlem. Eventually the Age of Aquarius arrived in full bloom and television producers’ liberal guilt presupposed that people like me could not identify with the characters on prime time TV. Thus we were treated to the stereotypes of “Chico and the Man” and “Good Times.” We were supposed to be thrilled at seeing minorities like ourselves on the little screen. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I could relate better to “The Goldbergs” than to Chico and I could never understand why the NAACP forced the cancellation of “Amos and Andy.” The character Kingfish was no less of a buffoon than Ralph Kramden or Lou Costello. For that matter, I found Jimmie Walker’s “Dy-no-mite” or Gary Coleman’s, “watchoo talking about, Willis,” to be even worse negative stereotyping.
Perhaps TV producers should take a gander at one memorable film that comes to mind in relation to the subject of entertainment for the masses- ‘Sullivan’s Travels.” It’s a story of a director noted for making comedies who decides that he wants to direct a serious drama about the troubles of the downtrodden poor. In order to relate to the harsher side of life, he sets off to experience life as a hobo without any cash or identification. He ends up being arrested in a case of circumstantial evidence and sent to a chain gang where he meets the harsh vagaries of prison life.
When Sullivan the Director starts out he has the same romantic idea of the less fortunate that many Hollywood liberal celebrities have today. What he learns during his experience is that people live within the constraints of their own design set from their personal experiences and moral fiber.
During a respite from the prisoners’ harsh routine, they are all treated to movie night and laugh heartily throughout the comedy feature. Sullivan joins in and when he is finally rescued from jail and the studio tells him that he can make his dramatic film, he tells them he wants to continue making movies that bring joy and laughter to the lives of those who have little to laugh about.
So perhaps Father didn’t always know best and Beaver’s Mom wasn’t really a stay-at-home mother who wore pearls with her apron. The comedy and drama were still fascinating and represented another side of life that seemed much more peaceful then my own. I’m afraid today’s reality fare is far too grim and uninspiring not to mention ugly. I may cringe a little at Lucy Ricardo having to kowtow to Ricky’s demands but I still laugh at her antics fifty years later. It also helps to know that in reality Lucille Ball wore the pants at Desilu.






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I would note that Sanford and Son is still on cable (and still is very funny) while All in the family has been off the air for years. So is one of my childhood favorites "The Rifleman". Watching it now the stories were well written and with the policies of the time taught small moral stories to the kids watching.
Alicia – Nice article. Maybe I was really naive in the 50's growing up, but I'm not so sure "Father Knows Best" or "Leave It To Beaver" were so far from the truth, at least from my perspective. I grew up in a suburban Philadelphia neighborhood with an ad man father and stay at home mom. Now I enjoy watching "Mad Men" but I honestly have to say my family was closer to the Cleavers than Don and Betty Draper.
By the way, nice picture. I can almost hear Clayton Moore saying "you go to town, Tonto," and Jay Silverheels saying "you go to town Kimosabe."
Actually TVLand is showing All In the Family now. And on the positive front – Hulu has fifty episodes of "The Rifleman from various seasons.
I'm so glad I was born in the 50's. My family was a lot like the Cleavers, except my dad was cooler than Ward and my mom was smarter and more beautiful than June… and I was even more hopeless than Beaver. LOL!
My favorite family sitcom growing up was My Three Sons, though. It took a back seat to Star trek, Bonanza, Batman, The Rifleman and Gunsmoke, however. There was also High Chaparral, Wild, Wild West, Bah, Bah Blacksheep, and Wagon Train. Oh, and Twilight Zone.
I grew up in a golden time and had a magical childhood.
Don't forget Cheyenne, Maverick, and Boris Karloff's "Thriller."
It;s amazing how some people can miss the entire point of a column and zero in on one sentence. I just received an email from someone saying that I need professional help if I thought that Amos n Andy was racist and Lucy was sexist. Those were the complaints about those shows that I disagreed with and I thought I made that clear. The title of the article should have made that clear.
I wish all the old 50's series were currently on t.v. I would watch them, I miss them.
Listen TV Land and bring back the oldies, not the junk you are showing now.
I always thought the case of Woody Allen is like the story of "Sullivan's Travels" in real life–a director who could make hilarious comedies but thought they weren't "meaningful" enough and quit producing them to make more "profound" works–except that Allen never really learned his lesson like Sullivan did and has continued to refuse to give the public what they really want, another non-stop laugh fest like "Bananas" or "Sleepers." (Ever met anyone who thought "Interiors" was the best Allen move?)
I supposed he is being true to his personal ideals (such as they are) but it is tough on the rest of us.
"Father Knows Best" is often maligned, especially by those who have never seen it.
"The fake domestic bliss …". Domestic bliss? In that house? The three kids are constantly squabbling and are frequently being reprimanded or taught a lesson by their parents. Jane Wyatt wears a simple house dress in the daytime…unless she is cleaning the house or windows or oven and then she is wearing jeans and a bandanna to keep the sweat out of her eyes. No glamor. Just reasonable reality.
Is fake domestic bliss now considered having a mom at home, a dad that works and three kids who are all fairly normal and not in jail or out on probation? Or a house where the members actually speak to each other and defend each other or look out for each other if need be?
btw – anyone remember the 2 unusual episodes where 'Jim Anderson' (Robert Young) has to face down the devil? And the fascinating episode where the family can hear the desperate calls for help on a shortwave radio from a small family on a small boat that is sinking in a storm? Those were great!
Can you imagine Woody on a chain gang?
I was born in the 50's too. My dad wore a mechanic's uniform (I never saw him wear a suit and/or tie) and had grease under his fingernails and my mother smelled of leather and glue from the shoe factory where she worked. I watched LITB and FKNB, but I never compared them to my family. I just assumed some people lived in suits and ties and pearls and high heels and some people did not.
Check out TVLand. That's where most of them are. And Encore's Westerns channel runs most of the westerns from the 50's and 60's. Right now ther're running Gunsmoke, Maverick, Cheyenne, Have Gun Will Travel and Gene Autry. Rifleman was in the lineup, but he's been moved out for a while.
Once again, folks, the author is repeating the complaints of the shows not her own opinions which is quite the opposite. She obviously cherished these programs as an escape from her own life. Read, people.
Actually, Woody was on a chain gang – in "Take the Money and Run". Hilarious!
Um, Alicia, didn't you say you cringed when Lucy had to kowtow to Ricky's demands and that it makes you feel better knowing that Lucy wore the pants at Desilu? How does that square with what you're saying here?
That's when he was funny
These days it seems like the only way for a show to be considered "good" is for it to be a moral and literal mess. Now don't mistake me, I like Battlestar Galactica and Mad Men as much as the next girl, but it gets awfully tiring swimming through the muck of a black/grey morality all the time. There is a place for the dark shows, but there is also a place for some light. Why can't we have a Star Trek or two to balance out the misery of Galactica? And why can't those too be considered important shows?
Bananas and Sleepers were really good movies. So was Take the Money and Run.
Back when Allen appeared to be more interested in entertaining rather than showing off how cool, hip and superior he is.
Great article! I think the comments are reflecting that most of us miss the clarity that came with entertainment from our youth. Watching modern entertainment requires a strong stomach and an empty heart. PC has indeed destroyed entertainment. and along with it any illusion of free speech.
I never could understand all of the angst over these wholesome shows. Living in a violent home, as I did, I watched these programs as an escape from the craziness around me. These families became my role models…is that bad? Thinking of what kids watch today and the low lifes held up as models it's no wonder we are losing our moral bearings. Give me those 'unrealistic' shows any day…they sure beat what passes as entertainment today!
I've never understood the accusation that TV shows from that era were "unrealistic." Yes, of course they were. That's exactly the way they were intended to be. They were intended to portray American ideals; what the average American aspired to in terms of economic prosperity, civic virtue, and personal morality. Americans wanted the modest but tidy house in the suburbs with no crime and no blight, the family-sized car, the personal lawnmower, the nuclear family of mom, dad, and two or three kids, the job for dad that paid enough to live on AND provide a week or two of vacation in the summer, etc. People watched those shows because they wanted to be those people, and whatever earthshaking problem was dealt with each week (June gets a hangnail) was intended to showcase and promote the virtues required in order to achieve that kind of life.
That all changed when TV went counterculture. Now the goal was to show people as they supposedly really are: nasty, hypocritical, rude, backstabbing, adulterous scum. No longer were we offered anything to aspire to; nothing beautiful to love and admire. We essentially were told that there is no hope for us; no real joy; no salvation. We're all just dirty animals living dirty, essentially meaningless, pointless lives until that happy day when we fall sleep forever and escape it all in oblivion. (But in the meantime we ought to cultivate the Marxist virtues of faux charity, faux love…faux everything, really, because…well, because it's the right thing to do–even if no one can quite tell us why, or how they know this.)
The change didn't happen overnight, of course, but happen it did, and today there are no shows I'm aware of on any channel that hold out an unapologetic Christian/American ideal for us to admire and aspire to. Even shows that try to do it to some extent feel obliged to give plenty of nods to "irony" and "realism"–probably due to the realization that such ideals ARE literally unreachable for the average man or woman today. TV in the Golden Age was both a reflection of, and catalyst for, American excellence. Once it became a catalyst for American decline, it (and we) ceased to be golden.
I never understood the big complaints about Amos and Andy. Every sit-com on TV at the time had the same line up; one or more bumbling males coming up hair brained schemes on a weekly basis, with nagging or whiny wives. At least Amos and Andy had a good role model in Amos(?). He had his own business (taxi) and was usually the only voice of reason, on this show or any other. Ralph and Norton only had their wive s screeching to straighten them up.
June Cleaver looked great. I only wish i could pull off those form fitting frocks. I must plug Leave It to Beaver. Unlike I Love Lucy, the writing was intelligent and endearing. I loved it growing up as did my boys who are now young aduearly twenties. They related to Wally and Beaver. The scrapes those kids got into were real, the parents were real and made their share of mistakes. The other characters were real. Yes problems were resolved in one episode, but what is so bad about caring parents trying to do their best? My family growing up resembled the Cleavers on the outside, though there was some disfunctiion on the inside. My parents' desire was for a Cleaveresque household, they did not always achieve it, nor were us kids as sweet and innocent as Wally and The Beave, but what would be so wrong if we were? That family was something to strive for. This is lost now. Now TV shows strive to out vulgar each other and succeed on a daily basis, not so slowly wittling away at any sense of decorum in our society. Thanks to Ms. Colon for raising the issue.
I almost p*ssed myself watching "What's up Tiger Lilly." The best of that genre
Ah, Galactica … they started out with somethng pretty good and ruined it when they started taking themselves too seriously. I was fine with a show that highlighted some of the more realistic details of the reality of trying to live solely on a fleet of make-do starships with finite resources while running from a genocidal group of robots. I was even fine with some moral qualms from knowing that they (humans) had ultimately created their own doom. What got really annoying was the terrible confusion of morals they felt that every single character had automatically face. There were no optimists on Galactica, and that made the show unbearable.
In my own post below I address the issue of "unrealism" in 1950's-era TV, because there WERE elements in many shows that were, by any reasonable measure, unrealistic. For example, there may have been some woman somewhere in America who wore pearls while she cleaned the house, but I think it's safe to say that the vast, vast majority didn't. The point of June's pearls was neither to claim that American housewives wear them while cleaning, nor to suggest that they ought to. The point was that there is a kind of queenlike elegance, for those with eyes to see, attached to the homemaking vocation–a vocation of supreme importance and value. Women were thus encouraged to think of themselves as queens of their households, and men were encouraged to love, admire, and treat them accordingly.
But I digress. Your point is absolutely spot on as well: much of what seems unrealistic to us today wasn't so far off the mark sixty years ago. women then did aspire to be mothers and housewives, to save themselves until marriage, to obey the golden rule, etc. etc. etc. It's hard for kids today to realize that just those few short decades ago we lived in an entirely different world…
When you come think about how far(or low) we've come in the past hundred years… there is really nothng to compare it to. I remember the old Philco b&w, trying to climb the rooftop to move the aeriel to NYC, so I could get Soupy Sales and Godzilla on channel 9, much to my dads dismay and belt strap.
Each era, we have faced threats, whether it be depression, wars, or nukes. The new medium of TV was just testing the waters and morphed into an ideal. Remember Sky King, the Stooges, Mchales Navy & Disney – all mainstays then. Remember, when September came and the new shows were an event? Now the genie is out of the bottle, and its all damned unwatchable.
I have. I've read and reread and I cannot fathom how the last two sentences of the article can be taken any other way than as an indictment, however mild, of I Love Lucy's sexism as perceived by the author.
I think the people who write shows nowadays seem to fall over themselves to show us what they think is "gritty and real". The problem is, "real" to them seems include some sort of sicko, dark dysfunction. They have forgotten their purpose is to entertain. I have enough of my own real real [sic] problems to deal with without watching their made up ones.
yeah- it's on next week we think- check your channel guide…
A +1 to you for the Bill Cosby reference!
Bonus question…which album was it on…?
By making shows "gritty and real" programmers have taken the worst of us to be role models for the rest of us.
Kids see this garbage and figure if that kind of behavior is on TV it's OK.
TV shows in the fifties were mostly morally uplifting and gave the country a basic code of conduct sadly lacking now.
We still have Kingfish. He changed his name to Al Sharpton.
All those Quinn Martin productions…
"The FBI"…
I'm with that…!
Speak of the Devil…!
Please pay attention. We know it will severely deplete your total amount of attention for the next several weeks, but it is fundamentally necessary for you to expend the effort…
I think it was I started Out As a Child, but could have been "why is their air?"
Thanks, Alicia…
Oh Artie, how I do love the Encore Western Channel. I keep waiting for Guy Madison with Andy Devine in "Wild Bill Hicock."
"The mere fact that Bunker lived in Queens, NY and not in the Deep South was a giveaway to Lear’s prejudice and cowardice. "
I don't know about this. I always thought he was on to something. I'd always suspected that your really hardcore bigots by this time in the country's history were more in the NE urban centers. The South had worked through most of its problems. Could also have something to do with the multitude of cultural differences jammed together up there. White Christian southerners had problems accepting blacks, but Italians, Puerto Ricans, and (to a lesser extent,) Jews, (to name just a few) weren't really on the radar of your typical southern bigot. Archie Bunker cast a wider net.
I agree here. The critics of Amos and Andy say it was racist. No more than harry Reid!!!.. the truth is that as a child it presented me with the possibility that there were positive role models in the Black community that I had no access to. Every episode of Amos and Andy showed normal working and competent black folks who were also professionals, competent normal lawyers, judges, policemen, doctors who looked very real compared to the buffoonish characters. I would have thought that was very positive because in those days, the 50s, Blacks were nowhere on television, not even in commercials.
Like Alicia (who I have been reading since her NY Sun Days) I grew up in the ghettos of NYC, except I was always the only white girl around most of the time. When I used to cut out of school (grew up in the 60s and 70s) I used to watch these shows and was inspired. It showed me that it was possible to get out of the ghetto, and what was possible. I would have loved to grow up and move into the suburbs, where people didnt dis one another on a regular basis, the smell of human waste was everywhere, and where a man was a man and not a predator. These shows also offered morality tales that lifted this girls spirit by knowing that there were others out there that shared a moral conviction. Nowadays, the Ghetto is portrayed as the moral, hip, and typical place to be. By glorifying ghetto living and gangstas in entertainment, we are dooming millions to remain in the Ghetto.
Same kind of home-same kind of feeling. Kudoes (sp?)
I heartily concur, adding in some '60's. TV Land would be great with ONLY: 3 sons, lucy, danny thomas, hillbillies, andy griffith, hazel, dennis the menace, mr ed, t-zone, perry mason, westerns, donna reed (ohhh great show), father kb, beaver, ozzie & harriet, bewitched, december bride, red skelton, honeymooners, dobie gillis, bob cummings, and more. That would be Boomer heaven for me!
FWIW – I want to speak to the issue of the top 3 or 4 sit coms that get cited when folks are using them as markers to prove their point.
LEAVE IT TO BEAVER – 2 parents and 2 young sons there in the Cleaver family. June Cleaver, the Mom, often does wear pearls around the house. Could be real could be fake. Point is, as most people don't know or have forgotten, is that a lot of women made the effort to not dress like a slob back in those days. They didnt look like slobs at home and they didnt look like slobs when they left the house. The Cleaver family lives in a pretty nice looking home, more prosperous then the other 3 sit com homes of the Andersons, the Nelsons or the Stones. And virtually none of the stories on LITB focus on the parents. It is a 'kid driven' show with near all the stories about the 2 sons. You won;t see a plot line about 'June getting a hangnail' on this series. And as on the other shows, the boys are always getting into boy type problems that are absolutely as real as you can imagine if you were ever a boy.
FATHER KNOWS BEST – Already covered them in my post above.
THE ADVENTURES OF OZZIE AND HARRIET – Super long running show with episodes that feature the 'adventures' of all the family members and many of the stories are incredibly mild, yet this was the longest running of all the tv sitcoms in history. They get 30 minutes out of near nothing, the jokes are very laid back and it really takes a while to gear down to the energ level of the program to enjoy it. The Nelsons may have been one very mellow group of people. Some of the plots and dialog almost seem to be something that the Ozzie heard the day before. OTOH, I have know families where there seemed to be zero drama or conflict happening. But – realistic or unrealistic? Hard to say. One episode – Ozzie wants ice cream in the middle of the night. Been there, done that. Ozzie wants a pool table, buys it (IIRC) w/o consulting Harriet. Sounds real to me. The fact that they got a show out of it is another story.
THE DONNA REED SHOW – I can barely comment on this one since i have not seen it since I was a kid.
Short summation – it is unfair and has been to call these shows "unrealistic". The realism is but PART of the realism of their times. The realism shown in today's programs is but PART of the realism of today's times. They are showing us what they want to show us for their own purposes, not as a fully realistic view of family life and times of whatever era they are choosing to showcase.
I find that television rarely offers us protagonists that we could aspire to emulate. Take the show "House" for example. There is not one character on that show whom I personally admire. I came to that realization after watching that show for years, i cannot believe I didn't see it sooner. Now I can't really watch it at all. In fact, we got rid of our TV! There have been some great shows that hold up good role models. Star Trek, Farscape (best show ever), Firefly, Jericho. Somehow, most of these shows don't make it in the long haul. Good people have to stop watching the filth that is most of TV programming in order to pressure studios into making more admirable shows and characters. It's tempting to sit and watch "House" or some such show, but we are screwing ourselves in the end.
The BSG remake really jumped the shark with New Caprica storyline which portrayed suicide bombers (i.e., Iraqi terrorists) as sympathetic and even heroic.
Yeah Alicia, and some people from somewhere have been dinging almost every comment on this thread. Very mature. ~eyeroll~
Ditto
I grew up watching "Get Smart". Despite it being set in Washington, D.C., it was very non-partisan – when there was a political joke, it made fun of the general D.C. incompetence, not directed at any one party or person. That's why the recent movie with Steve Carell and Anne Hathaway disappointed me.
As an aside, I was watching The Cleveland Show last night, and as soon as one of the character said they were moving to Alaska, I knew immediately there would be a swipe at Sarah Palin …. and I was right.
Make Room for Daddy — Best. Show. Ever.
I vaguely remember seeing what must have been reruns of this show during the late '60's when I was tiny, but really found it on Nick at Nite when I was in college. My three roommates and I would say no to dates that conflicted with Make Room for Daddy — no man could compete with Danny Thomas for our affections. It was funny and honest and almost always came to a touching end that was neither syrupy nor cynical.
Thank you, Nick at Nite — BRING IT BACK!!
I didn't buy Margaret Anderson and June Cleaver because we were a middle-class, suburban family just like them, but while my father was bread-winner and titular head of the family, my stay-at-home mother ruled the roost and meted out the punishments (and she did not dress like that around the house–no one did). The same was true in most of my friends' homes. (That generation of mothers were the women who, at the outset of WWII, rolled up their sleeves and went to work while continuing to run their households, raise their children and keep the home fires burning. They knew what they were made of.)
Though naive, Amos, of "Amos & Andy," was hard-working, soft-spoken, intelligent and could be quite the philosopher. Algonquin J. Calhoun, clownish shyster though he was, had a law degree and passed the NY bar, no small achievements in those days. And, as I recall, Amos' future father-in-law was a well-educated man.
I've been watching "Lucy" since it originally aired. The only time I really cringe is when Ricky takes her over his knee. Unbelievably, husbands disciplining wives with spankings (and we're not talking foreplay here) was an acceptable practice back in the day. Husbands had the superior position under the law.
Eh, it IS possible to acknowledge faults (whether real or perceived) and still find enjoyment in what you are finding faults with.
Yeah. That arc was mixed for me. On one hand, the moral relativism you point out got old. On the other, one of the coolest sci-fi sequences I've seen (the Adaman Maneuver).
LOVED the Rifleman. Even as a kid, I had a mad crush on Chuck Connors. Loved Branded, too.
Didn't know about that. Will have to check it out. If SyFi is going to do some real Sci-Fi again, I will be ecstatic. I am so tired of their gore fests and ghost hunting drek.
Although the aliens (when they have them) can be cheesey, the past few years of Dr. Who had some great storytelling. The bad guys didn't usually win and there was some good humour there. I am SO going to miss the 10th Doctor.
FARSCAPE!!! Woo-hoo! Bring them back!
Go over to bbc america and watch Dr. Who when it comes back.
I remember when Nick had all those great classics on.
My daughter (went to New Dorp, Alicia) astounded one of her teachers when she understood a refernence to Dobie Gillis the teacher made.
I've got both the BSG original series and the remakes season 1 DVDs. I'm a lot more likely to watch the originals.
Sure, the remake has better (IMO) scripts, acting, effects, and hair… but the originals showed humans as essentially good. In the remakes, I'm just as likely to root for the Cylons.
That was supposed to be playful innuendo (ick), and only really for people in the Fifties. All of a sudden, there was all this titillation spanking going on in books and movies. Heinlein did it a lot in his stories at that time.
I find it creepy, but it's not a "back in the day" thing. It's a Fifties-only thing.
Well played Night fighter! Couldn't have said it better myself.
There was one episode of "Leave It to Beaver" where a girl invited Beaver to her birthday party only to discover when he got there that he was the only boy among a group of girls. The father of the girl, seeing how uncomfortable Beaver was with the situation, invited him to his den and showed off his antique gun collection. He even let the fascinated and gleeful Beaver hold one of his pistols.
Can you imagine such a scene appearing in a modern show?
No. Now you get a Lefty Law and Order episode where the innocent young daughter of a Conservative Republican couple finds daddy's "deadly" gun and, out of curiosity, shoots it in the air, killing a downtrodden resident of the nearby projects! The deceased is characterized as a virtous role model, the cop who initially investigates the killing as a "drug crime," because that's what it appears to be–is villifed, and the Conservative family with a legally permitted weapon are portrayed as rascist scum. Nothing like spinning a tragic accident to suit you agenda…
I'd love to see a show about a functional family rather than something where dad can't be trusted to know how to put his shoes on the right feet, mom is a shrew, and the kids, no matter their ages, aren't smarter than there parents.
I'd also love a show with a clear delineation of right and wrong.
it was a great period for both America- and TV…
but guys, you all are really geezin' here- and we need the young and clueless to climb aboard. So throw a few shows that were at least in color out there-
Like Syfy's upcoming re-release of the great Quinn Martin scifi series 'The Invaders' with Roy Thinnes.
In HD no less…
Imagine one of today's tasteless sitcoms on TV in the 50's! The TV studio would've been burned to the ground.
LOVED the Invaders! I'll be tuning in for that! IN HD!
Another scene you'll never see on a modern show happened on the "Andy Griffith Show." Opie was having problems with a bully taking his lunch money and refused to tell his father. Andy eventually discovered and instead of embarrassing his son with this knowledge, simply mentioned during a fishing session about one of the Founding Fathers (I forget which) proclaiming a man should be "willing to give a fortune in charity but not a penny in tribute." The episode ended with Opie walking into the Sheriff Office with a black eye stating proudly that he fought the bully to the praise of everyone present.
I, for one, took a lot of lessons from Amos 'n' Andy, the TV show. Work hard and keep your nose clean, you will succeed (Sunshine Cab Company). Fall for every get-rich-quick scheme, and fall on your face every time (the Kingfish). Go along with the questionable stuff "cuz all the [kids] are doin' it!", and you get in just as much trouble (Andy I think).
I just did not see racism; did not see it as some sort of minstrel show.
Ward, weren't you a little hard on the beaver last night?
Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.
I thought your point was made cogently and clearly. I don't know if some of these folks can't read, or can't think. Or maybe they're just trolls.
And by the way, I loved Amos n Andy and the Honeymooners when I was a kid, and I never thought of either one as having a racial point of view.
And it never escaped my notice that while Lucy was fixing Desi's coffee and murmuring "yes, dear," she was planning for the moment he'd go off to work, when she and Ethyl would do exactly as they pleased. It was comedy, not an instructional video, for pete's sake.
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You know, I was going to say that Hollywood doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, but as I think about it…. I'm not sure they believe there IS a difference.
Don't forget The Andy Griffith Show! I've known many people who have thought of the fictional Mayberry, NC as if it were a rural American Brigadoon and wished they could find it and live there. It brought to life the lyrics of the old song "I love the dear hearts and gentle people who live in my hometown". There are those who will always love Andy with his down home wisdom, Gomer and Barney with their harmless absurdities, Aunt Bea with her prize recipes, Floyd and Emmett and all the rest. Even Otis, the town drunk, was a nice guy.
I always found it interesting that Frances Bavier, who played Aunt Bea, retired to Siler City, NC, looking for a real life Mayberry.
"Brace for turbulence!" -something you don't want to hear over a battlestar's P.A. system.
Yes! Not everyone grew up in angst-ridden households in the 50s and 60s. And yes, Moms and Dads really did dress like grownups every single day. They did reflect the times – THEIR times not our times.
I don't even remotely believe that these TV families were supposed to represent 'perfect' people without any problems. Again, they were a reflection of the times when grown-ups didn't appear on Oprah crying because they suddenly developed a compulsion to binge shop upon experiencing a normal life crisis, like the death of a parent (the theme of a show this week).
We have lost sight of what used to constitute adult behavior in America and we are not the better for it.
Ditto many of the views already written. Poor white Brooklyn kid, only one parent and a drinker to boot. Those suburban sitcoms were my North Star, I desperately wanted the peace and security of that life life and putting nose to the grindstone I got it! My life has been made immeasurably happier because I knew what I was aiming for, I never suffered any of those 'crises' that so many movies decry.
As for Amos and Andy being racist, I grew up up admiring Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella and Sandy Amoros. Amos and Andy was the only show of the time where one would see black doctors, lawyers, judges and the like and think 'why not?' , it was just the opposite of racist.
AMOS AND ANDY was funny and the characters were stereotypical. Notice I wrote "and the characters were stereotypical", NOT "but the characters were stereotypical." And they were comically stereotypical at times. It was a comedy show. If you had taken the black actors out and put in Italians, Greeks, Jews or Southerners, the show still would have been funny b/c those stereotypes exist in real life and in real comedy.
Another anecdote – when I had my video store and sold copies of the AMOS AND ANDY tv series on VHS tape, more than half the buyers were black people….and they didnt seem to be scowling or collecting evidence.
Furthermore – folks never object to the stereotypes of them selves that they approve of; only to the ones they dis-approve of.
Interesting- I have a couple characters on different shows that I admire, or rather, have one or two traits that I'd like to emulate. Some such characters for me are Simon on Firefly, Daniel Jackson on Stargate, even some caricatured historical figures like Patton. But I never made the connection that you just did. I've been looking at it in reverse – I see different shows, and once in a while am impressed to see characters worthy of admiration, but that's by far the exception and in no way an expectation.
What a fascinating idea. Shouldn't this be the norm and not the exception? Not that I watch tv much to start with, but you may have just ruined my House watching. Not that I follow it closely.
Shows like FKB and the LITB were heaven to me as a child. My family was argumentative and explosive. The "nice, normal" family seemed the ideal for me. If I had my way June & Ward would have been my parents!
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