Comments on: Honoring September 11th: The Restart of History

By: AvantiBev

AvantiBev — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:43:02 +0000

Yes, the Catholic forces under King Jan of Poland saved not only Vienna but Western Europe on that date; actually the victory would not come until September 12th but the battle began on the 11th. When you think in centuries instead of in microwave minutes, those kind of defeats for the team of Mo still smarts.

By: GospelJohn

GospelJohn — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:45:08 +0000

Andrew… remarkably well written post!

I really wonder Bush really nipped the Islamo-fascism/terror problem in the bud. The folks in Israel still live and deal with the problem. But in America, it doesn't touch most people's lives. The terror threat level means nothing and we just have to learn not to carry water bottles through airport security.

As much as the left hates to admit it, Bush pushed war to their turf and off our shores. And the enemy seems to be feeble and weak. Still, Complacency is scary – and we all learned that on 9/11.

I guess what I'm wondering is – is this "clash of civilizations" really as grandiose as Osama would have like it?

++ I forgotten the issues they have in Europe which is really a bigger front in this clash…

By: GospelJohn

GospelJohn — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:23:51 +0000

Okay, I vaguely sorta agree AND disagree with you there. Glenn calling O' a racist…. so over it. I think it comes with the presidency. Remember how GW doesn't like black people. Kanye should get a Pulitzer for his investigative journalism on that one.

Glenn Beck is interesting television and he does seem to throw out a lot of stuff that may be exaggeration on perceived connections between people. To me, the stuff feels a little too much like the logic that "truthers" like to use. HOWEVER, He does raise some interesting questions that we should be asking. And this ACORN stuff is nasty and worth stamping out.

But the real question… and the heart of the matter. Why the hell did you decide to bring this up? Glenn's really getting under your skin huh?

By: Andrew Leigh

Andrew Leigh — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:19:57 +0000

Avanti, what do you think is the importance of the date?

Looking on Wikipedia, I turned up these options:

1297: Battle of Stirling Bridge (William Wallace)
1609: expulsion order issued in Spain against Moriscos (Islamic Moors posing as Christians)
1609: Henry Hudson discovers Manhattan (ironic, eh?)
1683: King of Poland, John Sobieski, arrives to save the day at the Battle of Vienna, defeating Ottoman forces
1697: Battle of Zenta: Ottoman Empire suffers one of its worst defeats against the Hapsburgs
1941: Ground is broken for construction of the Pentagon
1978: Jimmy Carter, Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin meet at Camp David and agree on Camp David Accords

Fascinating possibilities. My money is on the Battle of Vienna, since that is considered the high-water mark of Islamist efforts to conquer Europe.

By: AvantiBev

AvantiBev — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:33:14 +0000

Mr. Leigh: For real prescience, you may want to check out another of Britain's Roman Catholics, Hillaire Belloc who wrote in the mid 1930's that Islam would by the end of the 20th century be resurgent and posing yet another threat to the West (ala Constantinople, Malta, Lepanto and September 11-12, 1683 at the gates of Vienna). In fact I think Belloc would not be surprised by the date the 19 of Air Jihad chose.

Belloc saw Islam as yet another heresy of Christianity. I choose to call it a socio-political ideology masquerading as an Abrahamic religion.

By: Catoi

Catoi — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:08:04 +0000

Cgntv Dssdnt: Not sure why you're bringing up Glenn Beck here. Maybe you meant to post this in the open thread?

But I'll bite. I wonder if Mr. Poniewozik called out MSNBC, Air America, Daily Kos, MoveOn.Org, anti-war marchers, and countless leftists who equated Bush with Hitler, called him a racist (remember "Bush hates black people"?), hyperbolically accused him of "shredding the Constitution" (I wish somebody would shred that cliche), called for impeachment and war trials, etc., etc., etc.?

The civility bar is too low, I agree. But let's not forget who lowered that bar so much during the last administration.

And now back to the actual points raised by the original post….

By: Stergeye

Stergeye — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:26:33 +0000

And now they're BAAAAACK, and in control of the reins.

By: Bohemond

Bohemond — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:33:33 +0000

Unfortunately, like the villain in a slasher flick, the statist collectivists weren't as finished as we thought.

And they've made alliance with the Islamist barbarians.

By: Jake_Was_Here

Jake_Was_Here — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:29:12 +0000

Sure the argument was over, but nobody on the losing side wanted to admit it.

By: Walker_Lewis

Walker_Lewis — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:26:09 +0000

Andrew, nice post. I agree with you. You might want to check out the novel The Earth Mosaic. It is a story partly about the unholy alliance you mention in your post– about how various collectivists combine forces with radical Muslims. It is a pretty interesting read.