Curses!
by Andrew KlavanI write crime novels for a living. They are full of men—and other disreputable types—who talk like men talk and think in the words men think in. As a result of this, I frequently get letters from my fellow conservatives and fellow Christians that begin, “You call yourself a conservative,” or “You call yourself a Christian,” and then ask: “How can you write such filth?”
Now, not long ago, I was playing tennis—badly, as I sometimes do to counteract the rumors that I’m perfect in every way—and also because I suck—and with each new unforced error I would send up a furious shout of “Doggone it!” or “Rats!” My partner finally interrupted his serve and came to the net. “What is this?” he said, disgruntled. “I’ve read your novels. There’s no ‘Doggone it,’ in your novels. There’s no ‘Rats.’”
Sheepishly, I was forced to explain to him that I rarely use foul language in real life, and almost never in front of ladies, such as the ladies playing on the next court over. He seemed very disappointed.
This little incident came to mind the other day after the oddly lovable Andrew Breitbart posted here what he jokingly called Big Hollywood’s theme song, being Christian Bale’s despicable, bullying and obscenity-laced tirade against a Director of Photography—set brilliantly to a techno beat by some genius who calls himself RevoLucian.
Now this thing was hilarious and it made Bale look like the thug he is and I was blown away by the techno-craziness of it and I loved it. But some BH readers protested against the obscenity in particular and against the degradation of our arts and discourse by bad language and childish behavior in general. Others forcefully protested against the protesters, essentially denouncing them as priggish and old-fashioned. The discussion highlighted a legitimate division in our ranks between the High-Minded and the Laid-back, the Mature and the Hip. The first group believe that, as conservatives, we must defend our better culture. The others feel that, in the very interests of promoting conservatism, we have to be part of our culture as it is.
At the risk of wishy-washitude, I side with them both. Listen, I try to live by a code of manners and decorum that sets my little chunk of the world somewhere on the gentility scale between, say, a Henry James novel and a Judd Apatow movie. But I also try to create art—which has nothing to do with decorum or manners, everything to do with brutal truth telling in whatever language you need. Art has to map out the entire city of life, not just its palaces and cathedrals, but its gutters, alleys, carnivals and cheapjack malls as well.
This is a website about our culture, right? At moments—like when Iowahawk tears up the joint or this RevoLucian guy practices a non-governmental Bale-out—it actually commits acts of culture itself. To which I say: Huzzah–or some word to that effect. Those of us who believe in the arts—whether in the form of South Park or the cantatas of Bach—believe that it’s the truth that ultimately sets us free.
What you do with your freedom—how you choose to behave and speak and treat your neighbor: dude, that is entirely up to you.







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As vulgarity laden as Mr. Bale’s tirade may be, I can assure you he doesn’t even come close to some masterpieces I have witnessed in my 20+ years as a Soldier in the US Army. When it comes to swearing, in the Army it is an art form at times.
Which reminds me of one of the best pieces of bathroom graffiti I have ever seen…from a porta john at Fort Irwin, CA: “Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the illiterate mother f@#ker.”
I read “Empire of Lies.”
I thought the book was too polemical (though I did agree with many of its sentiments), but the main character, Jason Harrow, elevated it to “passable.”
I second your notion that the arts simply have to depict the low as well as the high.
Mr. Klavan, having read your books (not to mention having been creeped out by your story at DHP before Christmas), I would expect you to speak and sound different from your prose. The humor and the insight would be the same, but no one speaks exactly like their writing (except, perhaps the late W. Buckley). Kudos to you for remaining a gentleman on the court; a rarity these days, no matter what your political persuasion.
And a thanks for limiting the profanity in your written work; your characters have to be realistic, and I don’t think any of your creations (that I have had the pleasure to read, anyway) have your presence of mind to temper their language—not that they need to, considering the company they keep.
I agree with your argument, as I sit on that fence as well. Well put.
On a different note: your ability to admit your flaws must mean you are practically perfect; only those of us that well evolved are comfortable admitting our imperfections, because they are so few.;).
Obscenity varies according to the situation. I’ve found that under certain circumstances, a woman using profanity is a sure sign I’m doing an excellent job.
Lenny Bruce believed that you could wear a word out so that it would no longer have much of an effect, and no one would give a f*^@ – obviously that’s what Mr. Bale was trying to accomplish.
Personally, if I ever get enough time off, I’d like to review every single movie ever made with Samuel “Walk the Earth” Jackson to see just how many times he says mother f@#ker – I’m certain it’s a world record and by compiling the list I could get in Guinness, or someone would buy me a Guinness.
Now I’m going to try to figure out the phrase “the oddly lovable Andrew Breitbart.”
Had Bale been working on a serious piece of art, an Oscar type flick, I’d cut him more slack. But a”terminator” sequel?? Please. You don’t need to go all Method for that kind of film.
With great freedom comes great responsibility. Unfortunately, many people do not understand this and think freedom means cart blanch on any and all behavior, good and bad.
I guess I’m jaded, but I don’t understand why everybody is making such a big deal about this. I’m not saying he should have done it – at all – but we have to know that similar things happen on movie sets all the time with temperamental stars. It’s like the whole Michael Phelps pot-smoking incident: many of the people who are up in arms about it have probably done it themselves at some point in their lives – he just happened to get caught. If Bale had a pattern of this kind of behavior that would be one thing. Then I would say he needs to cool his jets and get some help.
I’ve always found that I have a problem with cuss words or nudity or other low-class happenings when it was extraneous. For instance, anything by Quentin Tarantino, it’s there to be cutting edge, but instead, it’s just mindless banter from a child with a crayon. I wrote a sex scene in a story I’m working on and it took place in a crowded Starbucks style coffee shop while a guy was speaking to a bunch of socialist liberals. The point was that in their socialist utopia, morality had fallen so low that sex was simultaneously acceptable in public and completely devoid of any meaning or value. I didn’t have a problem with that, even though it’s definitely “dirty.” That’s kind of the point, when it’s no longer something to be kept behind closed doors, it’s no longer of any value.
So, as long as it’s the truth, like Klavan said, it’s worth the uneasiness or even the perverse feelings it creates.
I didn’t mean to imply that Klavan said it’s worth it, only that he said if it’s truth, it’s more acceptable to him.
Bale’s anger was justified. DPs who constantly tweak lights are frustrating enough, but during a scene … sheesh. Bale would’ve been justified quietly asking the producer to fire the guy, but to express his anger like that — to humiliate the guy… Unforgivable.
Another revealing element of the audio is that there was an environment on that set where a three minute-plus brow beating was allowed.
Heaven knows I’ve lost my temper and let a few curses fly, we all have. Were I to learn Bale profusely apologized sometime afterward it would go a long way toward redeeming him in my mind. It would also help if Bale sounded more angry and less like he was throwing his weight around.
Bale and I are done professionally.
I am not a fan of Christian Bale, and his latest turn in the press only makes me feel smug about it. Well, maybe not smug but justified. There is something about him that I find off-putting.
I get annoyed by co-workers all the time. It is part of doing a job, sadly, and I understand that Bale was annoyed by the lights but it is not an excuse to behave like a spoiled two year old with a toilet brush stuck in his pie hole. Talk about anger issues.
Mr. Klavan, your article has very good points about life and art, but with Christian Bale’s rant, I have a question: How many times has this happened where he blew up because a scene was ruined?
Commenters here have claimed this proves the actor’s arrogance and low regard for the working people, but isn’t that a hard case to make when it’s just the one incident? If there are other similar instances involving the same actor, then you have something.
It was unprofessional of Bale to lose it like he did, but does that prove he is a thug? I require more proof before I believe that.
The “f word” is one of the most versatile, beautiful words in the English language. Mr Bale is to applauded for using it so creatively.
Mr. Klavan wrote:
“I write crime novels for a living. They are full of men—and other disreputable types—who talk like men talk and think in the words men think in.”
No, they are full of male characters who talk and think like adolescents not men. A man knows and exhibits self-control. The use of vulgarity and obscenity in any situation shows a loss of that control. While you refrain from its use in your personal life the fact that you use it to make your fictional characters more “realistic” does not excuse its use.
As a fellow Christian, I would ask: When you stand before God will you hold up your novels as a glory and as praise to Him? If not then what purpose do they serve?
This is NOT Bale’s first tirade. A few months ago he was arrested for assaulting his family, wasn’t he? I gave him a lot of slack on that, but now I see that he is just another of Hollywoods entitled. He was allowed to verbally beat up on a defenseless person, and threatened his career (Nolte said it best). Who is TRULY a great enough actor (I don’t mean popularity) that they should be allowed to treat another human being in that manner. He’s just New Money, and not as great as he thinks. He WAS just throwing his weight around, and I seriously doubt that the DP did anything on purpose. Bale made it personal. I guess that is what happens when you think the world revolves around YOU!
As for the rest of this post, I agree with the majority, that profanity has its place, however I am tired of hearing how an artist has to espouse the “Truth”. Who’s truth? Rescue Me’s “truth”? Michael Moore’s “Truth”? How about just being honest. If you feel strongly about something, throw it out there. Present your facts. But don’t pretend its the truth. It comes across to me as lacking credibility and it is simply the individuals personal stamp of approval. Truth is a very relative thing.
MRSSPOOKY,
I am sorry, but the MSN article sounds like excuses. If the DP is a “Light tweaker” his career will be short lived. Ruining a scene cost the production a lot of money. On the tape the DP profusely apologized, for getting into the scene. The article labeled him as unrepentant. I also question the “the emotional center of the film and his character”. His outburst was just unprofessional, and that comes across in my VERY BIAS opinion as more entitlement, and the other entitled are out in force to defend yet more bad behavior. Let them eat cake!
Interesting article, though I have heard the same arguments for robbery, assaults, and even murder. It’s not my fault. As Nolte said. If he had made an even half hearted apology for his outburst I would feel differently. He just seems entitled, and for me that will ruin any character he plays from now on.
One of our jobs as parents is to teach our kids that everybody has two languages, public and private. What you say among friends is not what you say at a job interview, and they need to be able to switch gears as required.
I also tried to explain to my kids that a curse is a wonderful and powerful thing, and (as others said above) it’s a shame for the words to lose their power from overuse. A day or so after this lecture I was driving them somewhere (mothers are always driving somewhere) when somebody cut me off. I said with Bale-like intensity, “May you have six sons, and may they all want to play ice hockey, and may you only be able to get patch (practice) time at 3a.m. in Queens.” Silence from the back seat. Then my son said in a scared voice, “Mom, I’m not sure he deserved all that.”
When encountering a drowning man, it may require jumping into the muddy water to save him, rather than shouting orders and ‘told ya so’s’ from dry land in a flowing white robe.
The problem with conservatism is that for 40+ years, it has allowed itself to be caricatured by Hollywood and the MSM , as a mob of blue haired church ladies with three foot long index fingers wagging furiously at anything that tingles their Jesus sense. Not exactly a welcoming invitation to explore conservative ideas.
AA has a tradition of attraction rather than promotion. For the new guy from the street, a well placed F-Bomb can do wonders in gaining his trust and showing that you’re not afraid to reach down and show that you have things in common. Even if it is a dark side that has left in the past, many moons ago.
I’ve worked at several jobs over the years that were male dominated and you get used to hearing f-bombs dropped all the time. I’ve even heard my share of tirades and I’m not shy about standing up to a bully if I need to. But the Bale situation stands out because it went on for so long. I watched a video comparison of Bale’s outburst and the famous Bill O’Reilly tape of him saying F-it! We’ll do it live! Up until now the O’Reilly outburst was considered over the top but it pales in comparison to Bale’s. I mean, they’re in two completely different universes.
And I think that’s the rub.
We’re all conditioned somewhat to accept that stress will cause people to cuss, shout and generally behave like jerks. But there’s a limit to what is considered a normal loss-of-control. Bale didn’t just cross that line– he wiped it out.
As far as language in entertainment goes, I vote with my wallet. If a movie is, in my opinion, too far over the edge with language or violence, I won’t watch it. I do reviews of books and movies on my site and all the elements play a part in my overall judgement. I couldn’t stand “Wanted” in part because of the language and violence. But mostly I hated it because the lead character wasn’t likable. If I could have at least related to the main character I might have been able to overlook some of the other objectionable content. But not liking the lead made everything else that much worse.
This tale is a tale of reality — a conservtive with manners exhibiting restraint in the appropriate place for restraint, and presumably also when appropriate using vile language to curl your toes. Howz about a film with scenes showing this as part of ‘real men’ being real gentlemen, practicing restaint against instinct. That would be ‘real’ and informative and artistic, just as we accept the characters’ putting on their seatbelt in various scenes. Art can be real, rather than merely reel. That very tennis scene could be a reel scene, since it is in fact real….
HGator wrote:
“I don’t know what fantasy world you live in, but in the real world, men are not perfect. They lie and cheat and steal and sin. They also sacrifice and love and commit and accomplish fantastic things. And virtually all men have the capacity for both inside them. Klavan’s books explore the struggle of men whose imperfections both define who they are and often, eventually, provide them their chance at redemption.”
And yet for several hundred years writers have been able to do this without resorting to the lowest common denominator by the use of obscene language.
You attempt to set yourself as an authority by claiming you read A LOT. That fails with me. For ten years I worked in a retail bookstore. I encountered hundreds of people who read A LOT. Yet they never ventured beyond their preferred drivel of choice: Harlequin romances, Men’s adventure, or anonymous titillation novels.
Personally, I read very few modern novels. I found myself unable to enjoy them while waiting for the next f-bomb or sex scene. And while the writers of previous eras were not empty of vulgarity (Shakespeare or Chaucer, for examples) neither do they seem to be permeated with it either.
I encounter men who struggle with sin every day. I am a man who struggles with sin everyday. Yet in all I do or say my desire is to give Glory to God. I fail often but I do not try to justify it either.
A person cannot remain inured to vulgarity if he is using it through his work. To me, it is akin to working with manure all day and then thinking that the stink will not cling to you.
Let me get this straight the arguement here is to swear and use foul language or not. As a woman who use to use foul language f-this and f-that in my much younger days now can’t recall the word from my vocabulary. When I became a mom and more impotantly a born again believer of Jesus Christ, I changed my language. I didn’t want my young children using such language and I was now their teacher. Does anyone like seeing a 3 year old use f@#%k or GD@%& it? No! So why then has it become acceptable as adults to use foul language? In fits of anger and it has to be closer to rage I have succumed to using sh@%t or other explicits. I feel bad afterwards. Literly, physcically bad. Like I just ate something really grose. Why because I have been cleaned up on the inside and those words have power. All our words have power that is why our creator made us speaking beings. Our words have the power of cursing and blessing in them. The power of life or death. When I curse something I should feel bad, because I was not made to curse things I was made to be a blessing. I was made in the image of my creator who is in the buisness of blessing and is LIFE. It’s like when you stop eating junk food and start eating only healthy food, ask any health nut. You clean your body out of pollutants of junk. Well if you went back after a while of eating healthy and then ate junk you would feel sick. Because we were not meant to eat junk food all the time. Do you get what I’m saying. When you clean the all the junk out of your life you will begin to use healthier language. Does that make you less of a “Christian” if you use bad language, no it just means Jesus isn’t done cleaning you up yet. And when he gets your language cleaned up He will begin on something else. It’s a process a journey. None of us has reach the end of.
Well thanks for this opportunity to sound off.
Be a Blessing in all that you say, Snowman
OUTLAW13 – you remind me of one of the best greetings I ever got. I was a chaplain with a Marine unit at the time, and stopped in to the Batallion Aid Station (medics & such). Typically Marines have 2 modifiers that function equally well as adverbs and adjectives (one that starts with “f”, the other with a “d”) and they were employing them profusely.
The Chief Petty Officer (Marines use Navy docs, medics & chaplains) sees me and shouts out “HEY! Chaplain’s on deck! Cut out the f&#@!%g swearing!”
Could’ve heard a pin drop.
As for profanity in general, my main response is with Wenda. To be effective, it should be saved for special occasions. When it’s used for everything, it’s meaningless – and therefore opposed to art.
Bugs, I wrote to Mr. Klavan as one Christian to another. And while this is an open forum, your response shows (1) that you have no place in the conversation I started and (2)your ignorance of Who Christ is and the Grace that has been given to those who accept Him.
John 3:17-18
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Vulgarties are a tool. Overuse wears them out. They should only be used for emphasis, not as conversatonal filler.
Personally, I can go toe to toe with any steamfitter, but ladies don’t talk like that (thanks Mom). However, when working in law enforcement I let go three times. All three times I got my way. As I said, a tool.
There ought to be a room in every house to swear in. It’s dangerous to have to repress an emotion like that.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
He had a better quote about the appropriate times for swearing but I cannot find it…
As far as Christian Bale his outburst went beyond swearing – he ought to get an Alec Baldwin Award (remember his outburst against his 11 year old daughter?)
To receive such an award, the recipient must assume an air of superiority and bullying – heck, I’m seeing vulgar swear words on greeting cards these days. That alone won’t even get you nominated today.
My previous comment is apparently waiting in limbo. In the meantime.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29001920/
Says at the bottom that Bale’s apparently apologized.
As a fiction editor myself, I wish Mr. Klavan would write a few novels for men like himself (and me)–men who DON’T have foul mouths and who don’t read novels full of that stuff. He only perpetuates the problem (and adds to the coarsening of the culture) with his false assumption that that’s the only kind of fiction men read.
You know… I think we’ve all lost perspective here.
http://www.cracked.com/topic/8-christian-bale/
Ah… that’s better.
Someone here said Bale should not have been angered at having the scene interrupted because it was “just a Terminator movie.” Strikes me that an emotional scene in a fantasy film would be no easier to play than an emotional scene in a “serious” movie, with the added difficulty of having to make yourself believe a situation that’s essentially absurd and having to sell it to the audience and make them take it seriously.
“This is NOT Bale’s first tirade. A few months ago he was arrested for assaulting his family, wasn’t he? I gave him a lot of slack on that, but now I see that he is just another of Hollywoods entitled. He was allowed to verbally beat up on a defenseless person, and threatened his career (Nolte said it best). Who is TRULY a great enough actor (I don’t mean popularity) that they should be allowed to treat another human being in that manner. He’s just New Money, and not as great as he thinks. He WAS just throwing his weight around, and I seriously doubt that the DP did anything on purpose. Bale made it personal. I guess that is what happens when you think the world revolves around YOU!”
First off, Christopher, sorry for not responding earlier to this post. Now for the response. About the other tirade you speak of, I understand it was a family spat that got out of control, and instead of getting arrested, Bale turned himself in to the police.
Whether the DP in question ruined the scene on purpose or not (I believe it was accidental) doesn’t matter. The scene was ruined, and Bale lost it because of the goofup. What he did was wrong, but for all I know, the matter has been resolved. As for whether he is self-centered or thinks of himself greater than he really is, I don’t know, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Some accounts (linked here), say that the DoP had a habit of “tweaking” during scenes and had been warned multiple times before this incident, which makes Bale come out completely reasonable (I mean… if polite warnings don’t stop it, sometimes you just have to put the smackdown).
As for the family thing, I’ve heard accounts that there’s some tension between Mama-Bale and Wifey-Bale. And… well it’s just low asking a man to choose between his wife and his mom.
What I don’t get is, why is Christian Bale the only going off on Hurlbut? He wasn’t the only one affected by the intrusion, yet he was the only one who appeared to be out of control. I often wonder about the deeply held justification for my displays of wrath, only to realize later that I was the only one screaming. Says a lot more about me than the “offender.”
“Bill Brandt – you are thinking of “When angry, count four. When very angry, swear.” I think it was in Pudd’nhead Wilson, but I could be wrong.”
Nightfly – the quote had to do with the appropriateness of it (and how to do it appropriately) and how used in the right circumstances will add emphasis and credibility
At least I think that came from Mark Twain – but a short Google search could not find it…
Glad you liked it Mary. I live to entertain. =D
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” You don’t need to go all Method for that kind of film.”
Yeah, but remember the LAST film Bale did?
How everyone talked about how Oscar was going to tap the other guy in that film (even though it was an obituary nomination)?
Bale is probably obsessed now, with channeling the sprit of Ledger into his art.
Mr. Klavan,
I’ve been a fan of your books for a long time.
Also, thanks for mentioning that you don’t use course language around women. Those Baby Boomers can be thanked for ending the tradition of speaking like gentlemen in front of the women folk. Can we please start that tradition again? Are you with me everybody? It almost seems counter-culture to say “rats”. Let’s start a “Leave it to Beaver” revolution! (No jokes about the word beaver, please.)
Very interesting subject. I’m a cop. I’ve been known to swear, “Show me you f#$%king hands!”. It’s a situation that sometimes arises. I’m a father to a 4 year old and a 16 month old. I have broken my right pinkie toe on the coffe table and shouted, as loud a a could, “GOSH DARNIT WHY THE FUDGE IS THAT COFFEE TABLE THERE!!!” My wife has described me as a professional vulgarian, and I do enjoy the way a well placed dirty word can spice up a mundane sentence, in the right company. The trick is situational awarness. It is not appropriate to go on an obscenity laced rant in line at the grocery store because there’s a picture of Sarah Palin on a magazine cover. (This is autobiographical) This particular person did not show me their superior liberal intellect by doing this. My friends and coworkers already respect me and know I’m capable of conscious thought besides vulgarity. Words are just words, but better to leave your mouth closed and look a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt, or something like that.
there are a few youtube remixes of Bale’s tantrum that are ridiculously funny
(man I’m starting to feel like a crack shill but… whatever)
Anyway, they had an article on this whole thing which is pretty funny.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/excerpts-from-shane-hurlbuts-set-journal/
If the repeated warnings to the DoP are true, then I think Bale is entirely justified.
As an actress, I get it a lot. “How can you as Christian conservative, say those kind of words, dress like that (in a role) or even play the Anti-Christ in a film.” Although I do have my limits- like not saying the Lord’s name in vain, It is part of the work and yet hard to explain. There have been many jobs I haven’t taken because I didn’t agree with the the message ( and one reason for creating my own work) but language to me never was a big deal (I grew up with 6 brothers)
As far as Christian Bale. The disgusting part of this is that the audio was leaked. Second, give the guy a break: A DP should know better, has the authority to not roll camera if things aren’t right and this was not the first time Bale had to say something.
Being on set is a tough job-14-16 hours a day.Everyone has a job to do. if Bale went on set and couldn’t learn his lines, or changing them take after take, there would have been an issue. Why this guy,a DP, felt it necessary to fiddle with the lights during a scene, is beyond me.
But whoever leaked the audio should be the one embarrassed- how many of us if would be found in an unattractive manner at times- we just don’t have the tape to prove it!
people,people,people.this is how i see “big hollywood”
hollywood viewed from the right,that is hollywood being political,and preaching their leftist’s views and agenda through movies,and television.hollywood being holywood,that is believing that they are better than everybody else.someone commented saying why do we care about these people,or something to this effect.this should not even be newsworthy.in reality,it isn’t,but by showing and speaking about what hollywood would like to keep quiet.i at least hope people would stop watching movies,buying music,watching tv shows with actors like christian bale in them.not that hollywood actually cares about them(actors)they are cash cows,and cash cows only.an unprofitable actor is like a thourobred race horse with a bad leg,useless.money ia all that matters,if bale can bring in box office bucks,they wont tell him a damn thing.
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