Attaboy Mickey!! Spoken like a true American…

The Wrestler is definitely on my “To See” list!

I live in a part of the south where professional wrestling is still popular. I can’t wait to see “The Wrestler” and am surprised they are doing a staged release of this movie. I predict the movie will get zero respect at Oscar time due to the class war in this country.

Rourke’s stock way up in our book. Glad we invested our sttention in him back around Barfly. “Here’s to all my friends!”

One of the fun things about the internet is that you can pass on gossip without having any idea whether or not it’s true. Hey. If it confirms your own ideological biases, then it’s good for your readers — who share those biases — and good for business too.

Which I guess is reason enough for Andrew to forward the Rourke/Sean Penn tale without a clue as to whether or not it’s true. Here’s a somewhat more, uhm, nuanced view, from one of your own linked sources, Patrick Goldstein:

“Posner’s story–which is still up on the site’s front page, billed as an “exclusive”–is pretty much a textbook example of how little quality control we get in online showbiz journalism these days. Posner’s sources are all anonymous, one of them being “an entertainment honcho,” another a “veteran Hollywood lawyer,” another billed as a “longtime acquaintance” of Rourke. According to Posner, Rourke wrote a text message to the aforementioned honcho, which Posner saw on Dec. 28. It reads [this is its original, unedited form, so typos included]: “Look seans an old friend of mine and i didn’t buy his performance at all–thought he did an average pretend acting like he was gay besides hes one of the most homophobic people i kno.”

The only person who vouches for the authenticity of the text message is the unnamed “entertainment honcho,” who, of course, could be anyone from a Hollywood caterer or out-of-work actor to a studio chief. Posner pads the story with a long recitation of previous Oscar badmouthing incidents, going back to the Miramax-DreamWorks feud over “A Beautiful Mind.” However, he disingenuously claims that Rourke’s bashing of Penn is “the first time anyone can recall an actor dissing another actor so openly” for his performance. The key word here is “openly.” As in: How could a private text message to a friend possibly be “openly” dissing someone else’s performance? It’s only out in the open because Posner chose to turn it into a story.

To further weaken Posner’s case, Rourke is quoted in the upcoming Jan. 7 issue of The Envelope, where he singles out Penn’s performance in “Milk” for special praise. He says: “I thought [Sean] made some very brave choices as an actor and I don’t think it was that easy of a character for him to do. He really did some great work in it.”

Posner managed to contact Rourke’s publicist, who is quoted as saying “there is no Oscar feud between Mickey and Sean. They have been friends for a very long time,” adding that Rourke is “completely unaware of the text.” In today’s era of corner-cutting Web journalism, I guess that wasn’t a firm enough denial to get the story killed. But I think Posner, and the Daily Beast, should be embarrassed. If this is the kind of reporting that Tina Brown thinks is going to help her carve out a niche in the blogosphere, she’s well on her way down the slippery slope into tabloid swampland.”

Finally, an American male actor who doesn’t have to squat to pee. I always like Rourke’s gritty, raw characters and his willingness to take on the roles few in Hollywood can. More power to ya Mickey, welcome back. We have been needing some real people in Hollywood for a very long time.

BARFLY!!!! He may look wack but sounds like his brain is in there somwhat straight….besides, ya gotta love the dog-lover!!!!
Breitbart….I just LOVE your new site. Alot of great opinion/info. Congrats!!

Mickey was always intriguing to watch. First off not a pretty boy which gives him a leg up in my opinion against nearly everyone of his peers and the idiots who are coming behind him. Secondly, he can act. And again though Harley has to do what people always do when they don’t have the facts, post gossip, that Mickey publically called out Penn proves he takes no crap and doesn’t care what people think. That my friends is FREEDOM! When stop not giving a care what people think all of the time and remain true to yourself you are truly a free human being. And that in Hollywood is courageous. I salute him.

And the Oscar goes to… Somebody else.

Andrew, go see The Wrestler. Rourke is fantastic.

HARLEY
So you’re saying the story is not true, correct? If he’s a long time friend of Senn Penncil then it seems more plausible this was a cooked story.

GEORGE BUSH
most people in Hollywood would be willing to honor your request for a price

“The Wrestler” is a fine movie, but Rourke is great. Really, the only reason to see the film. And now, with his pro-Bush opinions, all the more reason to support him.

Mickey is absolutely correct, right on the money with his truthful comment, “President Bush was in the wrong place at the wrong time.” The White House was definitely the wrong place for Bush. There would never be a right time for Bush in the White House. What a Shame, as the Stones said.

Gee, Dave, I don’t remember Clinton illegally invading Iraq, do you. Do me a favor. Look it up.

Nice job Harley… You don’t like the message, attack the messenger!! Glad to see in lock-step with the Marxists…

Harley – January 12th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Stephanie, I understand it’s hard to read comments while stamping your feet and shaking your fists at the unforgiving (and far too liberal) heavens, but even a cursory familiarity with the English language would enable you to understand that the point of the above comment, ahem, is that Breitbart is posting gossip as fact. Pointing that out is not, you know, gossip.

Resume stamping!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

No Harley sweetheart I don’t stomp. You and your friends are stomping. I am merely pointing out a fact. if you don’t like it what can I do about it? I shrug. You people are the ones planted here and complaining when anyone even says something remotely off reservation aren’t you? I would say you are the ones with the anger issues. I think its pathetic the way you all act but then I do have neices younger than 6 so I see it all of the time.
About Mickey being fair. OK Saintly I’ll give you that. He was being fair and telling the truth. Thats something from what I gather you have never done since you became aware of political issues. So does Joe Lieberman and I know how much your kind LOVES him. What about going off on the Brits for bending over and taking it from Islamic Extremists in their country? You know Pencil wouldn’t say that now would he? No. And you know that. No Hollywood actor besides a few have come out and called people on their suicidal political correctness but Mickey Rourke has. Can’t wait to see the Fatwas being tossed at him.

I’m still trying to digest Harley’s suggestion that the Penn story is “ideological wishful thinking” seeing as it was a throwaway included on the premise that Rourke has balls. Whether it is accurate or not is almost irrelevant since the GQ quote is above question and is the only ideological aspect of the post.

BACK ON TOP ‘n’ HOT — First Robert Downey Jnr, and now Mickey Rourke.

Help… there are 4 Horesemen flying around, muttering something about the apocalypse soon

If Michael Richards gets a hit show and four picture deal this year, can locusts be far behind?

Why not? What’s he got to lose? His career?

I’ve not seen a celeb yet, who is even marginally young, stand up to the democrat machine that is Hollywood. Mickey is older and can do what he wants.

Sorry, just re-read my comment, and the last line should have been “our desires SHOULDN’T outrun our scepticism.”

Good for the Mick.

>I thought Rourke was amazing in Sin City, by the way.>>

Ditto that, Michael. Smaller role, but also dug Rourke in Once Upon a Time in Mexico.

First off, congratulations to Mickey Rourke. Not just for the win last night but for battling his demons and reclaiming his soul…his life.

I wish the man the best of success and good health.

Thanks Harley @ 9:59 for bringing in Patrick Goldstein’s response to the Posner article. I remember when I first read about it on the Daily Beast how it seemed to lack credibilty and had a foul smell to it. I don’t buy it.

I believe years ago, Mickey may have had a beef with Penn regarding the way he treated certain members of the press and as such Mickey called him a ‘punk’ however seems like both men did some growing up and in turn, came together to collaborate on Penn’s 2001 film, ‘The Pledge’

It was for me, the best part of the movie. In a very brief scene, Mickey Rourke did what he does best, laid it out there, giving a piece of himself in the process.

The best kind of film acting. A quiet intensity that beaks your heart.

Although the film as a whole didn’t work for me, I would highly recommend it for Mickey’s performance alone.

I find it difficult to believe given Sean Penn’s decision to cast Mickey Rourke in ‘The Pledge’ when the man was clearly at a low point in his life, that he would now talk BS as reported by Mr. Posner.

It doesn’t add up.

I guess in the weeks to come we’ll get to see if things are ‘cool’ between the two of them as they are both certain to be nominated for their performances in ‘The Wrestler’ and ‘Milk’

At which point I’ll be pulling for Mickey to bring it home on Oscar night.

God I love Mickey Rourke.

HARLEY: You must be one friggin’ tool. You are overtly concerned about disproving the validity of a text message. It is pitiful. In actuality, it matters little if that message is true. You act like the whole article was based on that text message. As Michael Hutchison noted, Rourke was simply being fair and did commit “Hollywood Heresy” by speaking fairly of Bush. And it is truly sad that being fair-minded to Bush in Hollywood is actually news.
Frankly, don’t care two-bits if Rourke called Penn a homophobe. It’s just that Sean Penn has so divided the public for/against him, that you shouldn’t act surprised if anyone jumps at the least inkling that could reflect badly on him. Sean Penn was a good actor. However, he has one major kink in his armor: it’s right above the chin & below his nose. Penn’s good acting days are gone. He’ll get the accolades from those whose lips are fairly chapped anyway, but he’s not going to expand his fan base. Penn was once edgy, but now just preaches to the choir. Love how stars like Penn don’t grow a pair until they have succeeded. If ol’ Penn had so publicly espoused his admiration for Castro & disdain for his own president when an aspiring actor, about the only fame he’d be laying claim to is having a name that rhymes with the capital of Cambodia.

Maybe he is starting the new counter-counter-culture in Hollywood.

So Holden, when did Clinton invade Iraq? I would think you would be overjoyed about Clinton personally firing a missle into Iraq. Isn’t that what you like to see. Iraqis being killed?

More proof as people grow up they leave the liberal lifestyles and ideology far behind in the scrapheap with the drugs and alcohol that seemed so appealing when young and restless. So Rourke has now grown up after getting run through the mill of self destruction liberalism leads to and bless him for finally growing up and seeing Bush for what he is, a man who did the best he could under the circumstances he faced and kicked some terrorist a** while doing it.and also seeing Islam brings death to everything it touches.

Danggit Rourke, now you just blew your Oscar.

Since Dirty Harry moved over to this website I try to put comments here, but they are always refused. I don’t know why. I asked the Webmaster, but no answer…
Well, I just wanted to tell you that Mickey Rourke is really a sexy bitch, much more sexy than Donatella Versace. I wonder what his old pal Charles Bukowski would tell if he saw him now with his shaven chest and armpits and speaking out for Bush…

Hi Harley,

As you doubtless know, it is important to remember to always keep in mind that, on sites like these, what is most important is that someone is either bashing _you people_ or _your kind_, and/or is praising someone on _the right side_. No brain power whatsoever is needed to partake in this simple form of cheerleading – as long as it allows one side to point and say “hahaha” at the other, to allow liberals to sneer at conservative’s intelligence, or the latter to snicker at the lack of cajones on the left. It’s that #1 punditry hit that never, ever seems to get tired or overplayed.

The main thing to keep in mind is how aggrieved conservatives feel against Hollywood. What is important is that they hear inhabitants of that fabled liberal realm saying the _right_ things, not necessarily _true_ things. This sad manner in which so many conduct themselves is endemic to both sides in this ridiculous, destructive _Culture War_; and while I appreciate you politely taking the time to say it, it will always fall on mostly deaf ears.

Cheers.

Saint Ignatius

Let me refresh you memory. Clinton ordered the bombing of Iraq which was code named Operation Desert Fox because Iraq was refusing to let weapons inspectors in and they felt he had…wait for it…WMDs. It was also Clinton’s policy to support regime change in Iraq.

By illegally invading I guess your not including Bush getting the approval of congress and sending Colin Powell to the U.N. to present the case which involved Iraq violating several U.N. resolutions.

The reason you don’t remember is because like the rest of the left you don’t want to because it shatters the lie you’ve been making.

This is not the first I’ve heard of Penn being a homophobe. Here’s more gossip in that vein (tenth comment in the thread):

http://nancyrommelmann.typepad.com/nancy_rommelmann/2008/12/sean-penn-for-senator.html#comments

Holden, you don’t really think Bush cares about anyone in Africa, do you. He doesn’t care about them anymore than he cared about the people in New Orleans after Katrina. The great cowboy was at the ranch in Crawford, Texas punching doggies during the greatest natural disaster ever to hit America. Remember how his aides had to make a DVD for him to watch the aftermath of Katrina. He couldn’t have been less interested. Good Job, Brownie. Good Job, Holden. Pandax, don’t forget the 935 lies told by Bush and his administration that led to his great adventure in Iraq. Powell deeply regrets having to lie to the UN. Look it up. A word of advise, don’t ask that overblown gasbag, Rush for any facts. I imagine thats where you are getting your “information” What a joke you and Holden are. Still trying to defend that incompenent cowboy. Try thinking for yourself sometime. Try to analyze the facts. God bless and aid you both.

Well this is great news! I started the day down on Mickey because he’s not aged so well and he has Chihuahuas . Pardon me while I put in my 9 1/2 weeks DVD.

Saint Ignatius go away. I’ll defend Bush from people like you till the day I die

in Dallas

Saint Ignoramus I don’t think you should be admonishing anyone else to think for themselves. Now that Katrina is less raw it really needs to be said that the responsibility lies with a lot of stupid, ignorant civilians, an incompetent mayor, a hapless, feckless governor, an hysterical media and, yes, the federal government. In a rather typical display of Bush Derangement Syndrome you have managed to prove that politics and your scumbag worldview are more important than reality, more important than Americans coming together in times of crisis – and learning from mistakes – and that you really aren’t smart enough to understand just how divisive and reckless your kind have been in the last eight years. Of course in keeping with your utter lack of intellectual honesty the left defines divisive as anyone who doesn’t bend over to accomodate – or humor – the left, but that is an absurdity. And that’s why I will laugh my tail off as Obambi reverses course from campaign rhetoric on all manner of foreign policy matters now that the Democrats have the burden of leadership and have to at least feign interest in being grown ups.

I was kinda neutral about how I saw Mr Rourke over the years. He was really good in that Louisiana flick, but I didn’t see much after that. From his comments though, I have to say I really like him. Thanks for posting the article. Once less actor I have to despise makes my life easier.

So, just as an opinion here. What do you folks think of that janine garofalo lady on the new 24 series? I keep hoping she gets killed by muslim terrorist every scene she’s in. I’m not sure why. It’s kinda weird. I think I don’t like her very much. Sorry for the off topic. I just had a liberal freakshow flashback for a second.

It’s good to know that all a celebrity needs to do is make one vaguely right leaning comment, or be rumored to have done so, and all is forgiven. Had MR made a left leaning comment he’d be a crazy, filthy, foul mouthed, washed up, freak of plastic surgery that is indicative of all that’s wrong with Hollywood, right?
Doubtful that Patty and co. would defend Bush ’til the day they die if he suddenly had another conversion and took a sharp left.

Hey Mickey, good for you! It’s about time someone in Hollywood has the cojones to say it like it is. BTW, you were great in the movie “Pope of Greenwiich Village”.

ps… Saint Ignatius, you’re a mean spirited imbecile…

When you can “see” someone’s acting as you invariably can Sean Penn’s, the word “average” is a charitable attribution. Rourke, on the other hand, is so honest and real – the concept of “acting” doesn’t even come to mind. Last night was a triumph well deserved. Get thee to “The Wrestler” and see for yourself how it is done!

I suddenly like Rourke a whole lot.

WOW. Such negativity. Try not to blow a gasket within your feeble minds. I’m starting to get a little concerned for your emotional stability. Hey, I got it. Why don’t you try one of those chill pills? Here’s what you can do. Sit down, take a deep breath, count slowly to ten, have your boyfriend bring you a chill pill on a silver platter, and then gulp it down with a glass of Black Bushmills neat. Try to follow these directions and then I think you will feel a tiny bit happier. Don’t worry. Be happy. Joy to your and yours. As always, with fond affection, Saint Ignatius.

I am trying to figure out why after continuously being proved wrong Saintly still keeps coming on.

Mickey Rourke has had a long hill to climb and seeing a guy who has been through a lot through the choices he made and to see him back, winning recognition for being the artist that he is awesome. I think that is the thing that Saints, Harely and the rest of the Leftists miss…its not about your politics, its about the art of acting. And Mickey Rourke has been one of the best. Instead of posting garp lets celebrate the fact he was given this second chance. The guy deserved it. Saints you and Harley should be so LUCKY!

Righteous Mickey.

Gee Ignoramius, I suppose by your argument Clinton isn also a war criminal since Wesley Clark made the same kind of comments with regard to Kosovo. Then again we are not a scumbaggy lot like you leftists so we decided to be Americans first and rather than cheap political simpletons.

I don’t recall Gore and or Clinton illegally invading Iraq. What sort of alternative history are you living in? As far as the Iraq invasion is concerned consult NeoCon Richard Perle about it. In a Vanity Fair article that was first published online in November 2006, Perle expressed regret of his support of the invasion and faulted the “dysfunction” in the Bush administration for the troubled occupation. “I think now I probably would have said, ‘Let’s consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists’. The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn’t get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly. At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.”

Elaine,
While I appreciate your point of view, I don’t think you should be so quick to judge. I’m conservative and I’m not rushing out to buy a Mickey Rourke Fat Head to hang on my wall in worship. I think most of us are more surprised than anything by his comments and more importantly the timing of his comments. It is awards season after all. I don’t think his comments were pro-Bush but I think he did a reasonable job at defending our president and possibly poking fun at those out there that blame GW for the most insane things like getting 2% instead of soy milk in their lattes. More to the point, it will be interesting to follow Mickey Rourke from this moment forward to see how Hollywood now treats him. Will he get the oscar? Will he get good reviews for IronMan 2? Will critics remember what he said? Big Hollywood is just the place to follow that story.

Saints your gratituous shrill screetching about the War is getting to be disgusting. Tell me woman do you have a life beyond posting here? You insult our intelligence with your constant loop of leftist propaganda which your bealch out like the Engerizer Bunny. Joe Weldon you are correct in what you stated above.
Rourke’s honesty trumps the vile twitterings of this troll, Saints.

Saint
I read your first comment and immediately wanted to respond. As I went further I remember the new adage: Have a computer and be thought a fool, comment on a website and remove all doubt.

My wife loves to watch the celebrity narcissism-fests so of course she watched the GGs.

An odd aside. I like movies. I don’t give a rat’s patooty about the opinions of the self-anointed class. My wife was watching some morning show when they replayed Rourke gaving his acceptance speech. I listened for a second and was impressed by what seemed to be a genuine modesty and sense of perspective. I mentioned that to my wife this morning.

That may or may not have anything to do with this thread.

Thank you, JONBOY101, you have removed all doubt in my mind that you have commented on this website and undoubtedly are a fool. I couldn’t have said it any better myself.

Saint,

I see the only thing which exceeds your Infinite Ignorance is your Astronomical Arrogance in thinking you even have the slightest clue. Well, Child, you do not.

You PROVE that if Ignorance really is Bliss, YOU Child, must be in a constant and unending state of ecstasy!

Neil C. Reinhardt

Saint Ignatius

Still sidestepping the whole Clinton started the regime change in Iraq thing. Well since it doesn’t fit into your little world I can see why. I guess I won’t bring up that Clinton started the whole policy of shipping terror suspects off to be interrogated in other countries that may prove too many things for you to deny at once.

Reader:

I had the exact same experience with Harley last night on the Anne Hathaway post. After a lively exchange amongst a few of us, he made the usual passive/aggressive “not to belabor the point, but … ” and then proceeded to lecture me about a point I had never made.

He is at best easily confused by his own circular arguments; at worst, too trollish. Tedious.

As I read through the talkbacks, I was quite amused by the back and forth. What I got from it is either St. Ignatius is so ignorant of the facts that he/she isn’t aware that Bill Clinton ordered a large missile to be launched into Iraq, or he/she doesn’t want to address it because it undercuts his/her argument (making him/her pathologically unable to carry on an intelligent conversation). I didn’t see a single fact in multiple posts, but lots of insults (towards Bush and towards individuals). We’d like to welcome the tolerant and intellectual Left to the board.

I disagree with pretty much everything Harley says, but at least we can carry on a conversation. Isn’t that the whole point of being an adult?

Angel Heart, best Mickey movie ever.

Dear Allswell, your ignorance is profound. I wouldn’t coax a hag like you to the garbage dump because you would scare the rats. You support my belief that stupidity is like a virus runnimg rampant through the poorly educated conservative clowns not unlike yourself. What does the great idiots’s illegal war have to do with Clinton? Where do you get your information. Do you even know who Richard Perle is? In November 2003, the influential Pentagon hawk Richard Perle conceded that the invasion of Iraq had been illegal. Also in November 2006, Perle expressed regret of his support of the invasion and faulted the “dysfunction” in the Bush administration for the troubled occupation. “I think now I probably would have said, ‘Let’s consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists’. The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn’t get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly. At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.” Perle is one of your heroic Neocon warmongers. Pay attention and learn to read. Maybe then you will learn to respect your betters.

Eulogy on the Dog (Old Drum)
” The best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name, may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it the most. A man’s reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him and the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog. A man’s dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master’s side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer, he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.
If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies, and when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death.”

—-US Senator George Graham Vest 1870

Well Saint,

IT IS NOT AN ILLEGAL WAR AND ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO LEARN THE FACTS OR TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THEM SAY IT IS.

WHICH ONE ARE YOU?

YOu Child are Probably BOTH!

And Saint, YOU could be a thousand times better than you are and you still would NEVER even be close to being MYU Better!

Neil C. Reihardt

Clinton didn’t illegally invade Iraq, but he did bomb them every time a story involving his cock was in the news.

As soon as he saw Odysseus standing there, he dropped his ears and wagged his tail, but he could not get close up to his master.

… Argos passed into the darkness of death, now that he had seen his master once more after twenty years.

One of my old pals is a close friend of Mickey Rourke. Mickey use to use his gym and he would work with Mickey when he was boxing. In those years Mickey was down on his luck and he just didn’t care. He knew he would get a breakout roll. He was blackballed in Hollywood at the height of his career for telling a few suits to go ‘ f-themselves’ that is something you don’t do as an actor or filmmaker and think you are going to work in this town. Mickey has always been a conservative and pro troop guy. I am glad that Rourke is back on top and I hope he wins Oscar so he can get more great roles again, and I’ll be seeing him again at my pal’s gym. The one thing about Mickey he will never change.

Folks, when faced with an ignorant troll like “saint”, the best thing to do is ignore them. Like a drunken bum on the streets, the “saints” of this world tend to shut up and slink back to the shadows if normal people ignore their ranting. Don’t encourage the troll, let him wallow in his own crazed little world and don’t “feed” him. It’s the kind thing to do.

Since my comment, which I admit was not tactful (but then neither are many of the comments here) is “awaiting moderation”, perhaps I should clarify it a little: I was referring mostly to the responses to Harley’s reasoned comment, along the lines of, “You’re a leftist, Marxist troll and a bad, bad person!” I hate dumb automatic reactions like this and the herd mentality that develops when too many commenters are acting like this. And it disappoints me because I think the purpose of this site – to present a counterweight to Hollywood’s soft-headed, unanimous leftism – is a valuable one.

As a left leaning independent i must say that I agree with Rourke’s statements about both the Prez and the cowardly Brits, but i think you conservatives are getting too carried away with this- at no point does he say he supports Bush, merely that “I’m not one of those who blames Bush for everything.” I dont blame W for everything, but i dont support him either, neither do i think Rourke’s “I dont blame him” is code for “I support him” precisely because he isnt the kind to give a flying you know what. And yes, this may hurt his chances at the Oscars which is a pity because from what i hear he’s brilliant in The Wrestler.

Dear St. Ignatius, your argument is flawed by a logical fallacy called ad verecundiam (i.e., “appeal to authority”). Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not by who you can quote.

Geez, can we get back to the topic at hand? Congratulations to Mickey Rourke, one of my favorite actors since Diner (and probably before, but can’t remember). I’ve missed his kind of smart-assed but sensitive, strong but vulnerable character. Haven’t seen The Wrestler yet, but I’m looking forward to it. I’m also glad to see that he doesn’t automatically tow the Hollywood party line. How refreshing. God’s speed, Mr. Rourke. Show the rest of Hollywood how to act (both in the movies and in their own character).

Saint Ignatius

Well two things, you are that dumb and you must be made of rubber to keep bending to avoid the facts. Unlike your lefty myth that Bush started all this he was continuing the policy and actions set forth during the Clinton years, which btw you and the other liberal zombies didn’t protest or whine about one bit. He acted on intel that all the Western intelligence services agreed on, that Iraq did have WMDs. Also that Iraq was violating U.N. resolutions, of course since Saddam was bribing alot of the U.N. people in charge of the program I would put their judgement into question, oh no I’ve given you another fact to deny!
So the bottom line is when Clinton said WMDs were in Iraq and that Saddam needed to go and took military action against him you and the other leftists said nothing. But when Bush finished the job suddenly it’s all his fault. Just the usual liberal double standard and lies no big thing.

Ignatius,

Listen my friend, this whole ‘illegal’ thing is a total red herring. Bush had Congressional approval. He pleaded a case to the UN but he didn’t have to. The UN does not set policy for the US. If it was ‘illegal’ because we didn’t have UN and world approval then so be it. Clinton bombed Kosovo without UN approval but I didn’t see ANSWER marching in the streets of Washinton over that one. In fact, most conservatives supported that action, we feel there is no bad reason to thump a dictator or a homicidal maniac.

If you want to argue that it was a bad idea to go into Iraq fine, that’s a point that can be debated, but it cannot be debated without acknowleging that it was already US policy, long before the Oct 2002 vote, to topple Saddam. A policy that Clinton signed. It’s not courage to have a policy and never act on it. It is courage to follow through on it and stick it out even if it becomes unpopular and might cost you your political career. A lack of courage is what leading Democrats and some Republicans showed when they turned against it only when it became unpopular. Oh they were all for it with the hindsight that we had already stomped Saddam’s army once and most definitly could do so again but when the aftermath didn’t go so well they suddenly had been lied to and misled. They made speech after speech supporting invasion. These speeches date back to before Bush was President and when they were passing the Iraqi Liberation Act. If Iraq turns into another South Korea or Japan in the future you can bet the very same people who turned against it when it was bad will start talking about how they voted for it. It’s politics.

You can have a ‘Beware of Dog’ sign in your front yard and not actually have a dog but eventually people that want to do you harm will figure that out. You can’t sign bills or pass resolutions without backing them up. You are right though, Clinton did not invade Iraq, he just put up a ‘Beware of Dog’ sign.

[Rich K said....A lack of courage is what leading Democrats and some Republicans showed when they turned against it only when it became unpopular. Oh they were all for it with the hindsight that we had already stomped Saddam’s army once and most definitly could do so again but when the aftermath didn’t go so well they suddenly had been lied to and misled. They made speech after speech supporting invasion. These speeches date back to before Bush was President and when they were passing the Iraqi Liberation Act. ]

David Horowitz did a very thorough job of cataloging the comments of Democrats leading up to the war, immediately after it started, then when the tide turned (they all “suddenly realized” that they were against it after Howard Dean popularized the stance….with the Liberal bloggers support, of course). That’s a book that you will never find a Liberal reading. It’s impossible to deny the truth after you see it (well, I think we’ve proved here that nothing is impossible to deny if you just try hard enough).

People are saying Rourke is “back”. I thought he was back in 2005 with Sin City playing the character Marv. Dude absolbloodylootely kicked Arse!! in that film. In my eyes the dude didn’t go anywhere.

Any person that criticizes GW Bush obviously has been in a drug enduced coma or is a liberal.

Geez, I guess as a liberal I’m supposed to boycott Mickey Rourke movies now.

But I won’t, because I can separate an artist’s performances from his personal life. To a point. If an artist was clearly a fascist or a violent homo-phobe or a closet racist, I might think twice about reading or watching his work. But an artist that simply expresses a different viewpoint is fine in my book. In fact it’s important to my own education and entertainment.

By the way – do any of you know that Rourke personally asked Bruce Springsteen to write the closing song for “The Wrestler,” which won Best Song at the Globes? And did you see Bruce and Mickey sitting together at the Globes ceremony?

There isn’t the divide between liberal and conservative that many people like to promote. Especially among artists.

Retiree, I thought Spun was one of Mickey’s best. Really over the top. The scene in the convenience store was pure Rourke. All hail the Cook.

It’s nice to hear someone from hollywood who doesn’t just regurgitate the predictable. I don’t think it means he’s necessarily a conservative, he may just be a reasonable liberal, if there are any. Refreshing, none the less.

Kudos to Mr Rourke. There is something about weathering a life crisis that can make you less apt to care what others think and what they expect YOU to think. Mickey may have killed any chance at an Oscar if his remarks become general knowledge, not that I expect a lot of Hollywood’s Liberal elites are visiting THIS website. I have a feeling Mickey Rourke will be perfectly happy if a lot of regular people go to see his film and they enjoy it and his performance. I know I plan on doing so. A lot of great actors have DESERVED Academy Awards over the years and NEVER received one, so if it’s not in the cards for Mickey, he’s in some pretty damn good company.

Iggy, thanks for acknowledging Bush’s efforts in Africa. One of the reasons many of us are so frustrated with much of the press coverage of Bush and the rhetoric of many on the left is no acknowledgement of any possibility of accomplishment.
Those of us on the right side of the political spectrum have had our own frustrations with his presidency, but the Bush = Hitler thing just makes many on the left sound like vicious morons to our ears.

I may have to see his movie now. It takes some real cajones to say what he said. It’s on the level of what Bonaduce did a while back. Not quite as good, but pretty dam good IMHO! We need more folks on the left coast with their eyes open!Thanks for posting this.

“Saint Ignatius – January 13th, 2009 at 7:35 am
RICH K, thank you for making your point in a decent manner. It is much easier to consider, which I am doing. That should be the point of discourse, to listen to and consider all viewpoints. There are some rational people around which is a revelation. Once again, I appreciate your style. Gracias.”

No problem friend, we are all in this boat together. We can either row together and debate our destination or beat each other over the head with the oars and get nowhere.

Way too much troll-feeding here. When people are so obviously trying to stir the pot and get under your skin, just ignore them. You aren’t going to score any points or make the world a better place, you’re just filling up a forum with useless bickering.

I’m seeing this on thread after thread on this site. Just let it go.

He’s directing them to you, Neil (along with me and about 20 other people). If you argue with someone who’s sole purpose for being here is to get someone angry, then we’re giving him what he wants. Just a few trolls (that’s not Liberal or Conservative, it’s just people who have no other purpose than to start flame wars) can tie up an entire message board with dozens of posts and all the counter-posts that go with it. It kills the productive dialogue and turns the thread into a waste of time for people who really want to learn about the issues.

That said, impressive post with the facts on Iraq. It will take years (assuming Iraq doesn’t fall back into chaos) for the real facts to be acknowledged about what went on there between the first Gulf War and the second. I doubt most people will ever seek the truth, or be willing to admit that they were wrong if confronted with the facts. I was not a fan of the war, but I decided to give Bush a chance to prove it was the right thing to do. I was firmly against the way it was being prosecuted early on, but staunchly against pulling out when things crashed….not because I cared about the politics, but because I thought it would have been horrific for us to leave that country in the Hell it was in during 2005 – 2007. The surge showed that like him or not, President Bush was going to do what he believed was right and refuse to be intimidated by anyone (or pretty much everyone).

It’s one of the reasons I was such a big McCain supporter. Unfortunately, I wasn’t thrilled with his campaign or his behavior immediately afterwards. The last few months have greatly changed the way I look at him, and that is truly disappointing.

OPPS, SORRY DES! MY BAD!

SLAP MY HANDS! SHAME ON ME! Sometimes, I DO STUPID THINGS!

With my WebTV, I have to highlight everything to read it without great difficulty, I just read my name and between my too quick temper and being sometimes stupid, I jumped to a totally
incorrect assumption.

I apologize to you.

I am VERY SORRY for my error and will make effort to not do something so stupid as this again. (At least not in these forums)

Neil

PS On Monday, I did NOT have o “highlite” it to read it. I sure wish they would put it back to the way it was yesterday

Mickey Rourke’s performance is Oscar worthy. I’m rooting for him and Clint!

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Off topic:

The only question I find necessary when engaging foolish BDS projectionistas (’S.I.’ in this thread’s case) is Dennis Prager’s: “Do you think we are fighting evil people in Iraq?”

If their answer is “yes”, then follow-ups are in order.

If “no”, then not.

If they evade with: “Who are we to judge good/evil?”… then, perhaps a brief diversion into the ooze of the fool’s moral equivalency “education” is worth the chuckles invariably found there.

“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.” — Euripides

No sweat Neil, it happens all the time (it’s so hard to read someone’s intent). So I’m clear, I supported liberating Iraq, but I wasn’t sure that a full scale invasion was the best way to achieve that end. Since I’ve never been in the military and no nothing about the intelligence community (other than what I read), I decided to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, but it was pretty shaky (then again, my opinion and $1 will get you a cup of cheap coffee).

Once we were there, I felt we had no choice but to win…both for our sakes, and for the people in Iraq. One thing that never wavered was my support and admiration for the troops. I tried to join the Marines out of high school, but got turned down because of bad knees (unfortunately, they’re really bad). Those guys and gals risk their lives for us and turned an untenable situation in Iraq into a stunning victory (with 1/2 the country thumbing their noses at them).

God bless the troops, and I hope that future shows President Bush to be right and people like me (and the ones who are actual haters) to have been wrong. I wouldn’t mind it a bit.

Mickey Rourke is great. HE is one actor who doesn’t bow to the Man-ginas running hollywood today.

The last great movie I saw was on Turner Classic Movies. That means ANYTHING on TCM. ZERO in the theaters.

The theaters are filled with crap, british 100% crap sequels to “the english patient”, homophillic crap.

I’d like to see a movie on Harvey Milk where he kisses a woman and punches out some dyke on a bike.

[...] Mickey Rourke and The Bush [...]

What a concept! An actor that has a brain and can think for himself and not walk lock-step with the “Bush is to blame for everything wrong in the world” people. Amazing that people can forget the horror of 9/11 so quickly and now wish to invite the terrorists to tea. Bravo Mickey! You are now on my list of people to watch in film!

Now that’s A MAN LOVE YA MICKEY!

I’ve dug Rourke ever since his role in Lawrence Kasdan’s “Body Heat” (1981)doing wet work for William Hurt, and then in Barry Levinson’s “Diner” (1982). A very cool actor.

As a conservative, I don’t particularly care one way or the other what Rourke’s politics (or for that matter, Sean Penn’s politics) are; what matters is the movie itself. We make ourselves very unwelcome if we insist on viewing cinema as nothing more than two-hour recruitment infomercials for conservatism. Art before politics.

Leftists are outdated tools. Bush is a patsy; it's the neocons who are evil. Judeo facism, not "Islamfascism" is the ultimate problem that has the US running out of blood and treasure to sacrifice in the middle east, while globalism is destroying our way of life back home.

Please, the neo con position isn't that much "edgier" or less safe! You want to be persecuted to the point of being invisible? Try being a real conservative or paleo con. Do a lot more digging Mickey Rourke-you're right about Sean Penn though.

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