A “Cultural Fix”?: Global Citizen Educators Rethinking Sustainability into Population Control vs. Academic Freedom
by Adam Baldwin“There’s an actual statistic that 99% of all scientists agree that humans are exacerbating global climate change… I am totally open to varying viewpoints, but [‘human-caused global climate change'] is one that’s no longer a debate.” – Benjamin Kay, 5/7/09
With that viewpoint, Santa Monica High School science teacher Benjamin Kay may actually be on to something. The question is, what?
On Thursday evening, May 7, 2009, Mr. Kay offered his students “Extra Credit” for accompanying him to a presentation at the Santa Monica Public Library given by Adina Abeles, Planning Director of the Center of Ocean Solutions.
During the hour-long power-point lecture Mr. Kay & Ms. Abeles, while claiming to be “objective,” asserted opinions to the students as scientific fact on several provocative, controversial political issues:
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Does that answer the question?
Mr. Kay & Co. instruct:
“Go to NPR, type in ‘global climate change’ and listen to the last, say, 100 talks… if you want your varying viewpoints, go find the skeptics and find out who they’re in bed with.”
A cursory Google-search of NPR finds that petard decisively hoisted by high school student Kristen Byrnes — who now becomes Mr. Kay’s “Worst Nightmare…”
Kay summarily rejects all climate change skeptics in conflict with his vision by concluding:
“…the people who are backing the skepticism about global climate change are all funded by the petro-chemical industry.”
Ms. Abeles concurs, dismissing skeptics as pawns in a:
“…huge media campaign against this fact of climate change, and it really confused people in the U.S. … whereas, in other parts of the world they’re not as confused as the general public in the U.S.”
Kristin Byrnes, along with countless others, would no doubt strongly disagree and gladly debate those bold allegations for the students at SAMOHI. (Perhaps Mr. Kay could invite Ms. Byrnes et al. to do just that).
While asserting opinion as fact in a political context can be expected, mischaracterizing the context of the broader debate (in order to inculcate personal political/religious values) is inappropriate, unethical and, in some cases, even unlawful — especially when luring students with the promise of improved science grades.
As any professional scientist should be well aware, all scientific theories — including anthropogenic climate change (a.k.a., AGW) — remain open to new evidence and, therefore, skeptical scientific debate, e.g., Miss Byrnes, these 700 international scientists and this NIPCC report.
Mr. Kay, in the guise of Team Marine “coach,” has made a practice of exploiting his SAMOHI classroom as a campaign headquarter to recruit students into helping him advocate for his pet political (”Whole Earth Wise Generation”-type) projects.
Ironically, his true cause is unearthed when he leads his students to recite “Green Freak” mantras like, “Global warming is more of an ethical problem than an environmental problem.”
A perfect example of Mr. Kay’s motives is illustrated by an actual assignment he emailed (via the District’s server) to his students:
Fuel Assignment (20pts): Visit http://thefuelfilm.com/videos
<http://thefuelfilm.com/videos> and watch each of the videos by clicking on each individual one. For each video clip, write a 2-3 sentence summary that captures the main idea and includes specific facts from both the video clip and from your general knowledge about the film. Use lined paper or reused paper for this assignment (DO NOT TYPE IT). On your paper, write down the title of each video clip and the write your summary just underneath the title. EX:
“Clip 1 Title”
[summary]
“Clip 2 Title”[summary]
“Clip 3 Title”
[summary]
etc….
THIS IS DUE TUESDAY, not tomorrow….you have two nights
Good Luck and Have Fun,
Mr Kay
In order to receive his 20 points, Mr. Kay required his students to view and summarize not excerpts from a Marine Biology/science film but, instead, one-sided clips from an overtly political movie — the makers of which he’d earlier in the year co-hosted as unchallenged lecturers on the SAMOHI campus for student assembly during school hours.
California Education Code (e.g., Sec. 7054, 51550, 51510, 51511, 60044, 60045) as administered by SM-MUSD policy/regulations (e.g., 1330; 1165; 4040; 6144; 6161) aligns with the Academic Freedom Article XXXI in Santa Monica-Malibu Classroom Teachers Association’s current contract, forbidding such practices:
It is the policy of the District that all instruction shall be fair, accurate, objective, relevant to prescribed course content… Unit members may introduce relevant political, religious or other controversial material… but shall not attempt to indoctrinate students with the teacher’s own personal, political or religious views.
Most alarming are Kay/Abeles’ pronouncements asserted under the controversial political euphemism ‘Sustainability‘ – [also here].
In union with their “Global Citizen” belief system/creed, one of their main “solutions” to the man-caused disaster of global climate change mutates, echoing Paul Erlich’s “Bomb,” into the control of “population growth.”
As Ms. Abeles stated:
“We have to be smart about how we’re going to grow as a global community,” and, “One big thing you can do is a lot of education for women, and the data’s pretty clear that when women are more educated and understand options you have fewer children and you have children later.”
On the question of enforcement, Mr. Kay injects a re-education solution:
“What we really need is a cultural ‘fix’… so long as we have family counseling institutions and education in school, things that tell women and guys that a family of two is good, that’s better for world population.”
Mr. Kay (who is not a parent) plants the intolerant seed in his students’ captivated young minds that discrimination against larger families’ extra children is profitable because he views their burden of existence on society as irresponsible and contributes to the sort of “over-consumption” that is “killing the planet.”
Would that standard apply with equality under the District’s social justice vision statement clause to his fellow SM-MCTA members, especially John Muir Elementary School teacher Joseph Ramirez’s “growing family?”
Dispute or not the liberating intolerance of Kay & Abeles’ “Global Citizenship”/”Sustainability” creed as you see fit, but consider:
The Santa Monica-Malibu Unified School District is, at its highest levels, aware of the non-compliant activities of Mr. Kay, and other staff members.
Is it right that the District only selectively complies with State Education Code?
Is it right for the SM-MUSD administration to consider as optional the practice and enforcement of its own board of education regulations?
Is that an acceptable way for our increasingly scarce public education dollars to be spent?
SM-MUSD is currently embarking on a once-in-a-generation process of reviewing and updating all its policies, administrative regulations, and related exhibits.
What better opportunity could arise for parents and interested members of the public to comment, craft and help implement an Academic Freedom regime to serve and protect students?
Can we not all agree in policy and practice that:
Our Public schools are educational institutions, not a religion, anti-religion or political party. A school District’s resources and educational authority should be used to further learning and the disinterested pursuit of knowledge, not to indoctrinate students in partisan political/religious ideologies.
While it is the responsibility of Parents/Guardians to inculcate the values of their individual family’s creed upon their children,
It is the job of public school educators to teach their students critical thinking skills, logic and reason within the intellectual parameters of their course of study – to teach them how to think, not what to think.
Does that answer the question?
UPDATE: Video link fixed.
Adam Baldwin is a proud parent of more than two children, and has been an active and concerned member of the SM-MUSD community for more than sixteen years. His other credits include film and television work spanning thirty years.
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You can't teach what you don't know. Sadly, many teachers are unable to teach critical thinking skills because they don't have them. And the global climate change argument has risen to such a hysterical level that serious discussion has become almost impossible. I feel sorry for any parent with kids in the public school system.
"Go listen to NPR…CNN" I guess they're considered peer-reviewed resources to this climate change "expert." It boggles my mind that anybody, let alone a science teacher, has so little intellectual skepticism or curiosity that they blindly accept something just because it's said on NPR. If NPR told me the sun was shining, I'd run to the window for a proof-check. I'm sure Mr. Kay would brook no discussion in his class of the concerted effort on the part of true believers of anthropogenic climate change (previously known as global warming until one too many Gore speeches were cancelled due to massive blizzards) to silence the opposition, restrict publication of opposing views, or ignore the actual facts that disprove their "proven" theory. It's evolution all over again–once the facts start disproving your theory, claim the matter settled and any remaining opposition ignorant and politically driven. Talk about projection!
On the other hand, encouraging limited (or better yet no) procreation for these lemmings would be okay in my book. Let the home schoolers have passels of well-educated, decent, hard-working kids. That's the labor force we're going to need for the dark days ahead.
Mr. Adam Baldwin, I have enjoyed your acting performances for some time now. But you show me now that there are still actors who can think for themselves. Thanks for the article.
I loved you and the crew's chemistry on Firefly.
KEEP FLYING.
Adam you are a well informed celebrity you must be a conservative. This is what I have been yelling to everyone I know for the better part of two decades – the environmental movement is population control. Soylent Green maybe a movie with Chuck Heston – to lefties it a gameplan.
Dangit, they made that video private! I can't watch it.
That's pretty sad. I wonder how many kids the teacher has? Sometimes I think this "don't have babies" movement is just another form of "survival of the fittest". Babies for me, but not for thee!
Good to see you writing again, AB!
Adam another great piece, I am beginning to enjoy your writing as much as your acting. (Love you in Chuck)
I find it interesting that the argument does seem to point towards global population control (case in point the UK minister's comment a while back about reducing the UK population) but the areas of the world that are growing at explosive rates are in the third world, poor, and what we would call in the USA, a minority. So is the AGW crowd calling for massive US (or more likely UN) intervention in the third world to reduce global birth rates? Take a look at the growth rate of the industrialized world, most countries are at negative growth, only the USA has a slight positive growth trend, we are not the problem.
One way I enjoy debating the global warming, climate change, whatever debate is to simply say "fine, let's assume man-caused global warming is a fact, so what do we do about it?" that is where the interesting discussion comes in.
Until the media starts using critical thinking skills, instead left wing propaganda this sort of indoctrination of the young will continue.
Damn Adam, you are naïve, who needs reading, writing, and arithmetic?
Excellent.
How are these 'teachers' allowed to teach? Boggles the mind. Parents in that district need to lean on that Board of Ed. He's a clear candidate for job assessment and review and possible dismissal.
Will it happen? Doubtful, if the parents agree with his views.
The Man they Call Jayne is right on the money. When a conservative attempts to demonstrate a point, the onus of responsibility is on him or her to express in exact, particular detail why he or she is correct – and any error whatever prevents his or her voice from being heard. It happens in high school and college debates, in senate hearings, in special interest groups, in the scientific community: an opinion that carries with it the extraordinary weight of being perceived as "right-wing" negates that opinion almost entirely.
But Benjamin Kay's solution is the brilliant tactic of the fascist dictator: lie. Lie simply, lie often. By asserting that "the debate is over," he effectively stymies further argument. We want to debate it – the case against him is building daily – but of course, when "the debate is over," further evidence demands no verdict.
Outrageous? Absolutely. Surprising? Not in the least.
This is the fruit of the tree we have planted by listening to various Teachers Unions and Educational Experts. The sad result has been declining results with the children being the recipients. Why is it that when teachers were woefully under paid and schools were suposedly under funded the results from the education systems of the 50's and 60's were superiour to todays. The much touted Private Schools (I.E. Cathoilic Schools and the like) actually pay thier teachers less than thier public school bretheren and yet produce superior results. It is simple in private schools teachers are required to teach and students are required to learn. In public schools it is sad to say no such requirement exists instead public school requirements are so laden with double speak and indoctrination no real learning is possible in most cases.
BTW Adam I also loved you in Firefly and I hope NBC renews Chuck. I have enjoyed your performances ever since I saw you in "Full Meatal Jacket"
Lord… NPR is the main go to for Global Warming/Climate Change science resource? No wonder we have a bunch of ignoramus' running around…. I know of at least 10 peer reviewed science journals that would be a hundred times better than NPR…. Hell, Science and Nature magazines would be a better resource… :/
But than what do I know… I am only a Geographer that worked in the Universities Meterology and Geology libraries while going to school… :/
Remember, we're talking Santa Monica here, the original People's Republik. Nothing will happen to this enviro-nazi.
Seem to me that people who hold this population control idea as some kind of world solution could help out a lot by leaving this life themselves
Hm. Science by poll again.
How high a percentage do I have to get to make FTL travel a "valid" scientific fact?
Great story, Adam. I didn't know you wrote like this, but I'm glad to see it; seems like you hit it from all the angles.
I wonder if any of the parents of those kids have differing views enough to alert the district of this teacher's behavior. This is so totally over the top wrong I have to believe SOMEONE will stand up and say enough is enough.
Oh and the latest on AGW: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520364,00.htm...
Great article Adam. Thanks for the input. And big congrats on Chuck getting renewed. I hope they end up giving a full 22-episode season – and then about 5 more seasons!
Anytime someone says "The Debate is Over…." that's precisely when a debate should happen.
Letting anything go unchallenged is asking for trouble, I think Adam hit this one out of the park.
the environmental extremist movement (which is just an offshoot of world socialism and secular humanism) senses, for the first time, danger. The numbers on 'true believers' has been in decline for several years now,
so in desperation they are ramping up the indoctrination of the most naive amongst us.
With a vengance, as well- as the excellent post by Mr Baldwin displays. It is not uncommon for children to be given failing grades if they do not view Algore's fictional fable or other such orthodoxy. Parents really need to be aware…
How do I watch this private video?
Amen to that, it is up to us as parents to take control of what is happening to our kids in school and to sound the alarm when we see indoctrination.
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I've said this before but :I want a bumpersticker that says "I'm so green I'm Soylent"
there is some empirical evidence that parents are starting- emphasize starting- to get in between the kool-aid drinking NEA quasi-marxists and their children; they correctly see the actual loss of control and influence and are getting far more involved. Let's hope this continues…
Adam! THX! Great post and research. Seems as though "Hank Scorpio" has saved me some typing time! So THX to Hank! And yet, sadly, this AWG "teaching" and it's curriculum is Wide-spread. I am in SC and even in this State, the AGW is and has been taught to even those of Kindergarten Age. And so, Adam, you could look at this indoctrination of our youth as being widespread. As for parents, will they take control with input and then challenge the school boards? Remains to be seen. But based on the parents that I knnow…it seems doubtful. Pray that I am wrong. Respectfully yours..Signed Agent 99!
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Obviously there is a "typo" …It is AGW and NOT the reversal I utilized. Ooops!
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And yet serious geologists (those not politically attuned) call the current epoch an "inter-glacial period."
TrekFan,
when you state that, try adding "and you can't use the same arguments presented in Time & Newsweek magazines and the New York Times 30 years ago when they were decrying "Global Cooling."
TrekFan1982! Absolutely. When the debate is refocused on "what do we do about it?", the proponents can and will argue all day long. Yet a recent poll indicates that adults are opposed to "Cap and Trade". Why? Because then the debate is refocused on Taxes. Huge Taxes and across the board skyrocketing electricity prices. These prices will effect us all. Will Wal-Mart, for example, remain open 24/7 when the lighting costs are astronomical. Just one example although I do understand that Wal-Mart has installed Solar Panels. But how effective are those panels?
Thanks for this CajunHighlander. When I saw that Mr. Baldwin was posting here I wanted to write SOMETHING about how Firefly was the most super-awesome show in the history of awesomeness and that he was so frickin' cool! But I always wound up sounding like a Jr. High girl (ya know, like the previous sentence).
Thank you for your comment with which I can register my full agreement instead of making an ass out of myself.
“God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth” (Gen. 1:28), a commandment that has never been rescinded!!!!
Global warming advocates have turned it into a religion. I believe in "Global Warming" and no matter what you tell me I know it is true and you will burn in a HELL of a warming planet for thinking otherwise !!!!!!
Oh my gosh…give me break…(Very Good Article)
It's usually difficult for students to "question authority" of their teachers, as they know the teacher is in control of their grades. As a kid I often "learned" what I personally disagreed with and regurgitated it for class but that's where I let it stay. Even so, there were times I just wouldn't let something lie. A comment like "“There’s an actual statistic that 99% of all scientists agree that humans are exacerbating global climate change…" would have caused me to ask something like "since when are ALL scientists climatologists?". If students have a strong family involvement at home, they can begin to learn when a teacher is inserting opinion passed as fact.
Thanks Adam. Here is a link to a video I made on Global Warming and the up coming tax we are about to receive on this false religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmyewljsAs
I would have hoped that more kids would ask that same question, but you make a good point. Kids are very unlikely to challenge a person that holds their future in the palm of their hands.
This amounts to educational extorsion, agree with me or fail. A friend has a daughter in elementary school. They were given a project to do that counted against their grade. They were to make a poster of Obama and submit it to the teacher. I can appreciate the significance of the first black president, but idolizing a man for the color of his skin is just wrong.
Forcing kids to idolize a guy they are barely aware of cuz the teacher is grading you on it is downright immoral.
And so, Mr. Kay, is unethical as he co-hosted unchallenged lecturers on that Campus and then, in order for his students to receive 20 points Mr. Kay directs the students to view what I will term "junk science" as his platform was the viewing of a film of, really, just opinion and of no real value i order to receive the 20 points. As Adam has pointed out and has documented this policy of a kind of quid-pro-quo, and is therefore against the CA Education Code. Once again, Adam. a geat piece. Read this article very closely fellow bloggers. There are many valid points that Adam has made. Personally, I am sick of the double standards and/or theory presented as "fact". And ofcourse, the students were exposed to "junk science' for those 20 points. (When I was at University the "liberal agents" aka Professors did much the same. But I was an adult. These are children. And our future. They are being indoctrinated. Sad but true.
I beg for mercy from the global commun-ity for selfishly having three children. I plan on rectifying this by feeding Mr. Kay to my kids affectively bringing his carbon footprint to zero. Such a brave man, your sacrifice to Gaia will not be in vain!
Chuck is renewed!
http://zachary-levi.com/2009/05/17/chuck-vs-the-3...
Video link is fixed.
Why have I not addressed the Population Control aspect of this article? Well, it is that Population Control is "in my face" about everyday. I am fearful of those words. However, in the context that Adam has related to, it is not in a violent way, but rather in a "let us not harm the planet" by reproducing. Let us control the population in a RESPONSIBLE WAY versus the "ship me and mine and yours" to a "re-education camp". Or the Civillian Youth Force "better funded and bigger than all US Military Forces" as per the words of BHO. Adam, the context here is less threatening. We must not have too many ppl "just breathing" or consuming plantetary resources. I fear for our Country. In more ways than one. And please understand that we must use Fossil Fuels. If a war were to emerge in the Mid-East, say Israel vs. Iran, the Strait of Hormuz will be null and void. We, as a Nation, are not prepared for that contigency. But it could happen. And yes, Adam. Ms. Byrnes is Mr.Kay's worse nightmare. Yee Haw!
Video link is fixed.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
We're trying to track down if the problem with the video was due to the Evil Soros Leftwing Conspirators — The Evil MoveOn Leftwing Conspirators — Or my inputting the wrong code.
AB, thank you for an excellent article.
It's obvious that Mr. Baldwin kicks as much ass in the real world as his Firefly character Jayne did in the Firefly universe. Excellent investigative article. It was all as expected, propaganda cloaked in a educational disguise. However, I was mildly shocked that the event turned into an abortion conference. I know it's on their agenda to blame us for every evil, but I was shocked they were so blatant and casual about limiting the future potential of our species based on opinion and not hard science. So to save the race we must limit the race? What weak minded lazy 1970's crap. They should put up a "Hurray for Soylent Green" banner and get it over with. Anyone who has ever listened/read Julian L. Simon (RIP) knows that the population bomb and the notion we're going to run out of every resource is a load of donkey scat. Take a look at this wonderful WIRED interview with Mr. Simon: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.02/ffsimon_p...
As the their population bomb brethren have done in the past 40 years the global warming alarmists simply keep pushing the numbers around to suit their ultimate agenda; The only solution to save the Earth is to hand over its management to BIG GOV.
"Idol of idiot-worshippers!" – Troilus and Cressida, 5.1
I'll second the "Firefly/FMJ" performances and mention another favorite; "MY BODYGUARD" Really great buddy movie with a boatload of soul. See it if you haven't.
Read the article and reply. Hope that works. You may have exceeded your BroadBand. Who Knows?? Good luck.
absolutely… the moment someone tells me "The Debate is Over"… that's one of two things…
1) They've run out of talking points to repeat over and over.
2) They realize they're completely outclassed in terms of facts and information.
Remember having to go to one of those "environmental classes" in Junior College… and had to do a report on some conservation group… Professor didn't like me when my report basically ripped into the whole 'environmentalism movement'. (although I said some nice things about the Nature Conservatory…).
Unfortunately, Junior college is kinda harder to force their beliefs on than in grade school..
actually Sed.. I can let the "go listen to NPR, CNN" part of the instructions slide, they are still considered a 'source of information' (or Misinformation)… it was the second part that set me off..
“.. if you want your varying viewpoints, go find the skeptics and find out who they’re in bed with.”
Note that it's "only" the skeptics who are 'sleeping their way' to getting their arguement out. It was the fact that the implications that NPR and CNN's were the foremost experts on the discussion and that everyone else has an ulterior motive… that was the part of the line that got to me..
When Al Gore spat out that the debate is over on AGW the alarms started going off. I don;t remember there ever really being a debate in the first place.
Unless you count when scientists in the 70s were saying we'd be in an ice age by now….
The counter-arguments from the AGW crowd are nothing but emotional blackmail. If you have questions regarding the science behind their movement you're an ogre bent on destroying the planet with your Hummer. If you present evidence from scientists that refute the AGW claims you're in denial as if you were fighting an addiction.
It's like Obama's followers, they are caught up in a pseudo religion and they use faith to steer them instead of fact.
Great article and sad problem. This problem, as well as many others we see building steam in society today lands squarely on the fact that conservatives abdicated the arenas of education and pop culture to liberals over forty years ago.
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I was fortunate in Junior College… The only arrogant asses for teachers I met where in the English or Math departments… and those in the other departments I learned very quickly to stay away from… so I ended up with Professors that encouraged discussions and even heated debates (they themselves would play Devil's Advocate)… But I think I am one of the lucky ones (even through the 4 year as well)… I still think my Government Prof. was a Libertarian or an Independant.
I was fortunate in Junior College… The only arrogant asses for teachers I met where in the English or Math departments… and those in the other departments I learned very quickly to stay away from… so I ended up with Professors that encouraged discussions and even heated debates (they themselves would play Devil's Advocate)… But I think I am one of the lucky ones (even through the 4 year as well)… I still think my Government Prof. was a Libertarian or an Independant.
Great article, Adam — we can not scream loud enough about this scam called "climate change." It's great to see someone from your position put forth an articulated opinion on this matter — perhaps your voice can get through to more people before the government uses it to complete its power grab and model our ENTIRE economy on this junk science.
That's already happening in Spain … and unemployment is over %17. For every "green" job created there, nearly two jobs are lost.
The fact that Marxists have changed "global warming" to "climate change" may be a sign that we're getting somewhere in the struggle against these Marxist twits.
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Man, Love you on Chuck, Firefly and even on Angel, but I had no idea you were so articulate, it warms my heart, but even more than your ability to write well, your concern for what's being taught to YOUR kids and other kids – that is plain awesome.
Climate change aside, and acknowledging that this fellow sounds like a bit of a crank, I've never really heard a compelling argument in a modern context that a smaller worldwide human population would be a BAD thing. I'm talking about that as an end-result, not the myriad theoretical ways one would GET there.
Say, hypothetically, that within the next few generations we wound up with a 30 to 40 percent smaller worldwide population – not through violence or coercion or whatever ghastly boogeymen are always raised to avoid talking about this, I'm talking about a (primarily) naturally-occuring "shift" in attitudes and behaviors (by-choice smaller families to some degree, but primarily VASTLY increased access to birth control up to and including planned-parenthood and legal RU486 worldwide) that would yield that theoretical result. What, precisely, is the down-side to that? More water and food to go around? Less crowded? Smaller likely-audience for Michael Bay movies? I'm there.
Is there anything scarier than the thought of people like these "teachers" having your kids in their class under their control (thrall?), brainwashing them with their non-sense & just generaly scaring the hell out of them? These enviromentalist kooks want nothing less than the ability to control every last one of us from where we go & how we get there to whether or not we procreate & how often. My little girl is starting kindergarten this fall & I'm wondering how long it'll be before she comes home one day upset because the polar bears are "drowning" or whatever.
O.K., rant over. Thanks for another great post Mr.Baldwin. I'm thrilled to see you here. You're a good guy & a great actor. Congrats on "Chuck" getting renewed. Looking forward to your next post.
BRING BACK FIREFLY!
The downside to that? Well one I can think of is that if the 30-40% shift downward only takes place in the industrialized and democratic West while in places like Iran, Pakistan, etc. they keep on getting their freak on, then you wind up with a severe problem if they decide to continue to ride the Jihad train. You can't send septuagenarians off to battle if you expect to win. The only way to shave off 30-40% of your population and be able to defend your culture is to go the Logan's Run route, and I don't see anyone signing off on that one either.
So that may be one minor downside to downsizing our population.
Whenever someone says "The Debate is Over…" I have similar thoughts about it Mark. Although I also picture them throwing a tantrum and saying,"Cuz I said so!" Why do I picture that? Because I've seen it happen more than once.
And there was much rejoicing!
Now we just need someone to get Firefly back. Yeah I know, but I can dream.
You can usually not go wrong blaming things on Soros I've found. So I'd go with that one.
Schizoid, they're allowed to still teach through the double headed hydra of teachers unions and tenure. The removal of either, or even better both, would do wonders to making "education" mean teaching again instead of indoctrinating.
did anyone else pick up on the flirtatious vibe between Mr Kay and Ms Abeles? The whole "lecture" stinks of indoctrination, with a healthy dose of smarmy smugness. Much like a soy milk caramel macchiato ha ha. the only debate that is over is the fact that environmental whackos are closed minded idiots.
Great column Mr. Baldwin. BTW, have you seen much "combat"?
I do believe that a compelling case can be made that wind energy farms will cause drought. It's basic meteorology. Rain is the result of airlift and moisture. Taking energy out of the atmosphere will result in less airlift and thus less rain.
Bob.. I've seen this argument used before in terms of conservation.. (and I dont' have all the details correct, so it's not as complete as I could make it).
There are certain species of fish for instance, that pretty much go on a "feeding frenzy" with some of the smaller species, and would otherwise eliminate the smaller species as a whole… if it were not for human intervention (aka, the harvesting of the first fish), the second species of fish would be wiped out in its entirety. There would be zero/zilch/nada/none left.
Now reduce the number of humans who would be available to perform that harvesting… less humans = more bigger fish = eventually no smaller fish … = No food for the bigger fish = no Bigger fish either…
Like I said, it's not an exact retelling. but it's one of those examples that I've used and seen used… Humans are the only species (although you could argue for "evil monkeys") that have the ability to reason and think and clean up an area after themselves and others… so less humans = bad thing?
Amen, amen and amen to all said! On Sunday my husband brought me a copy of our local high school newspaper. We live in a solid red state, and in the Bible Belt. The location of the school is in an upper class to middle class GOP bastion. Four of the twelve pages of the newspaper were devoted to "Green". One section was entitled, "Wanted for crimes against the environment". The entire piece was about kids who had "committed excessive crimes against the environment", and none of it was based on anything remotely resembling factual scientific or criminal evidence. The kids all had their pictures posted in the form of mugshots, and held up "Guilty" signs. One young man was convicted for driving his SUV too much! His determined sentence was 18 months in jail, and he was allowed a $1,000 bail.
For us, the most frightening aspect of this was the kids not citing any sources, or facts anywhere in any of this four pages of environmental reporting. Yet, they come to this radical conclusion as to someone's guilt. There is no real legal system philosophy applied in the article. All of their conclusions were based on group think, or some sort of juvenile fairness system. There certainly was no application of justice. I cannot properly express how scary these articles were. What are their parents thinking? These four pages read like some Hitler youth program from the History Channel. NO KIDDING!
I will really fear these kids once they are exposed to college professors who are only going to further radicalize these skulls full of mush!
More people might be rejecting global warming, and the junk science it is based upon, but our youth seem to be brain washed victims who have been so indoctrinated that they cannot remain objective, and do not have the intellectual curiosity to perform simple research to prove their assertions. When I graduated from high school, we had to cite at least three independent sources in any article to substantiate our claims. Apparently things have changed quite a bit in the past 25 years!
Great article, Adam. It's great to see one of my favorite actors show some common sense and intelligence when so many would opt for sensationalism instead.
Keep up the great work on Chuck.
True, although some hardcore environmentalists would argue that humans are little more than evil monkeys hell bent on destroying the Earth.
Thank god kids are bored, pay no attention and would rather flirt. . . at least I hope so.
Are these central planners going to preach this 2 offspring only family to all races? Or just evil whitey? How about the rest of the world? The Muslims are out breeding the indigenous population Europe. These hippies better get over and hand out some condoms.
History will label 2009 as the year Big Government stampeeded the Lemmings over the cliff, into Collectivism…
First they railroaded us by saying if we don't Act Now and expand the Debt to 4 times above the levels of ALL the previous presidents combined, we will face ruination. Now we are told that if we don't embrace a Soviet inspired Command-n-Control Carbon Credits, we will ruin the climate.
It's been done before; policy by scaremongering, remember the Y2K scare that cost the US Billions (3rd world spent $0 and nothing happend to them). See a pattern? Nothing is more easily controled than a nation of Obama worshiping Sheeple.
tragic…
It's frustrating that so few people are willing (or informed enough) to protest this kind of behavior, but it's good to see we're not giving in. There are a lot of resources out there, but can be difficult to narrow down (it's the internet, so you have to know which sources you can really trust). Hopefully an enterprising young entrepreneur will start a web site like this one that makes all of those resources easy to find and debate. At the moment, it seems like shopping…you decide what you want to believe, then find sources that agree with what you already think. I'm not a scientist, so want to hear all sides to make up my mind.
On the other hand, I've always operated under the assumption that whatever Al Gore believes, I should do the opposite and it's worked pretty well up to now.
I'll be in my bunk.
"Hm. Science by poll again."
True story. I once got into an argument about "Global Warming" with an intelligent co-worker of mine. He fell back on the tired and unproven cliche of "the majority of credible scientists say…" I responded by telling him that "majority rules" is not a scientific method. He replied by saying that it, in fact, was.
That was the end of the discussion.
Great John. Now, could you please fix the broken collapsed comments and let us know why our user ratings have been frozen for months!?!
I don't have any kids. I wanted some, but I hit my carbon cap when I bought a sports car.
But if I did and they had a teacher like this, I would go to the principle, school board and/or superintendent to either stop this practice or get my child out of his class.
"Climate change aside, and acknowledging that this fellow sounds like a bit of a crank, I've never really heard a compelling argument in a modern context that a smaller worldwide human population would be a BAD thing. I'm talking about that as an end-result, not the myriad theoretical ways one would GET there."
There is no argument that it would be a BAD thing because, as an end result, it would not be a BAD thing. The problem is the "the myriad theoretical ways one would GET there." That's the part that bothers people.
From certain perspectives, the plague was a great thing for Europe. It drastically reduced the over-crowded population and left behind a genetically stronger people. Now, try selling that to all the victims.
China has their "one-child" policy to fight this problem. One nasty side-effect is that the Chinese prefer boys to girls. Since they only get to have one, you end up with a lot of abandoned/murdered baby girls.
Here in liberty and freedom loving America, there is very little interest in having the government tell us how to run our lives. Telling us how many children we are allowed to have would definitely fall into that category. IMO, that is one of those "get the guns" issues (i.e. the response to such a law would be for the population at large to "get the guns" because the government had gone too far.)
That's why the Octomom episode was so frustrating for many people. The women seems to be unstable and not very concerned with the welfare of her 14 children. But, I have heard very few calls from people to pass laws that set a limit on people's ability to reproduce.
Don't sweat that one. If you would note, after that notice there's a line of various other choices on the bottom and look there, when I saw but Two links to the video. I clicked the second one and saw it. Problem concluded.
It showed how indoctrinated the crowd was with all the 'woop-woop' every time those tree huggers spewed. I wished I was there and I despise the camera man because he only made one question -ignored to boot!- and just sat back and recorded. I wanted to stand up and challenge the rather pretty lass to strip off all that "petro-chemical" produced clothings and show unity with gaia by rubbing up against a wooden banister! I do still have a few dollars to toss!!!
Thanks very much for this, Mr. Baldwin. It's a refreshing reminder that we as parents (I have three myself) *must* be vigilant when it comes to the education of our children. I've been involved with my local school system long enough to know that "politically correct" opinions are very often communicated as facts, and that children (not just small ones!) have little defense. Thirty years ago, as a fifth-grader, my class was asked to debate whether it the country should a) limit families to two children or b) use forced sterilization. You can imagine how my (Catholic!) mother reacted when that topic came up at the dinner table.
At the same time, your effort in the video is a reminder that individuals are now on the front lines of the climate-change debate, and we have to be assertive if we are to undo that particular "cultural shift." I loved that woman's head-scratching reaction to your water-vapor point. Keep it up!
Ah, eugenics.
"Educating" the masses they should stop procreating at once! We need "sustainability!"
Why I absolutely loathe the Left: they're simply never happy leaving other people alone.
I think the solution to the global warming debate is to give a lot of money to Richard Branson.
If Virgin Spaceways was available today, say with enough big planes that would accommodate most of the teachers like the one in this article, all the supporters of Algore, and Hollywood celebrities that are that looney, we should celebrate them with a spaceflight. I'd like to have Pink Floyd's "Set The Controls For The Heart of the Sun" blasting from the loudspeakers on takeoff.
You have to think of the future for problems like this.
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As a new fan of Firefly (yes, some are still discovering it as late as 2009) and a mother of MORE than 2 kids (5, in fact), it is nice to see an actor that can think for himself! Oh, we live in a solar powered home, grow the majority of our own food, and teach our children ourselves. Yeah, we have a small carbon foot print…..and a small tax one as well.
Real educators would never say 'the science is settled', because there is always a new discovery or theory which needs discussion. Newton, Mandel, Faraday and others, presented their work for others to examine, question and propose opposing theories.
'Science by consensus' existed as in the case of Harrison and his work in determining Longitude, where his clock was derided by those who had their own pet theories; and by Soviet scientists who caused massive famines by their abandonment of sound agricultural scientific practice in the face of Politburo pressures. However, the consensus eventually collapsed when scientists who did not fear political or peer pressures proved those who promoted 'consensus' were wrong.
'Global Warming', 'Climate Change' or whatever the popular term is today ('Double Expresso with a shot of Cinnamon'), has not stood up to even a fraction of the scrutiny that Einstein, Hawking, and others have had to endure. Students who are taught 'Politburo Science' eventually may become good 'Community Organizers', but never will they become scientists.
"Excessive crimes against the environment"? So you can commit crimes, just don't be excessive about it. Nice thinking folks.
When my mother grew up in East Germany, they actively encouraged children to rat out their parents for incorrect thinking. I never thought I would hear of such a thing in the US. But beginning several years ago, I started hearing of teachers telling kids to report smoking and gun ownership and so on. It's very, very troubling.
And don't forget that the entire textbook industry is so far to the left that modern textbooks are often little more than propoganda.
Amen brother! Or if these zealot teachers are that concerned, they could just hold their breath, this would be the ultimate solution to their grotesque carbon footprint. A little less radical they could skip a breath releasing less carbon, this would show real commitment to Mother Earth, and Algore will be pleased, THINK GREEN!
Great post. It's nice to see one of my favorite actors here. I loved Adam in Independence Day and Chuck is a fantastic show. I'm so glad it's been renewed.
Right on, Adam. Great job.
They shy away from questions like, "But who will enforce this?" but we all know what's coming.
Geert Wilder gives us some insight as to what the world will soon look like if we continue with this 'green' notion of 'reducing our carbon footprint' by having fewer children. (2.2 kids?)
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&a...
While we're doing the politically correct Green thing, having fewer kids…the Muslims are having multiple wives, producing large families, and populating the earth in unprecedented numbers. They will soon be the majority. How does Sharia Law sound to everybody? Is there a place in Sharia Law, in Wahabbism, for 'Green thinking'?
Mr. Baldwin,
Excellent article. Loved you in Firefly (along with everyone else here, it seems, which leads me to question why it's viewership was supposedly so low it warranted cancelling, but I digress) and have enjoyed you in several other projects. Nice to see that you are also intelligent, thoughtful and willing to challenge the mass hysteria/group thought norm of today. Please write more. I promise to read it.
I just have to agree with what others have said:
Great article, and I loved you in Firefly and Chuck! It's so nice to hear an actor behaving with maturity and good manners.
Been there; go with the Soros Conspiracy, validates our manhood…go with Soros, but check the imputee stuff.
The student radicals of the Sixties became the teachers of the Eighties. Those students from the Eighties are today's teachers. That's the third generation of students and teachers whose mantra is "education is irrelevant, it's only the message that counts." Too much inbreeding produces idiot offspring is a truism that applies to the educational establishment.
Sadly, AB, I doubt they believe any of it. Double sadly, in Philadelphia, you would have to go to a Catholic school to find administrators who do believe in that statement.
Smaller population shifts are devistating to cultures. Think of a pyramid on hits head, smaller side down. The upper half is the aging population, the smaller the younger. How can fewer younger provide adequately for the older – as a person ages, they are in more need and rely on the younger population to provide for them as their abilities decrease.
Fewer young to provide services/ assiatance for the older. Tax base shrinks but the need is greater as the population ages. As the population ages, it becomes topheavy, so to speak. The elderly become vulnerable to euthanasia as the younger begin to resent the drain on their resources, because as the older population at the top increases, and the younger on the bottom decreases, the top becomes a severe burden to the bottom. This is likely to happen in our culture because abortion has taught the younger population that inconvenient lives can be destroyed. Few young for farming, for industry, for labor in general.
(Continued) Fewer young will be able to take up careers in the arts, because the need for services increases. Higher education will become out of reach for many on the bottom as tax demands increase for those aging at the top. Fewer young mean less military. Less medicine. Less scientific progress. Fewer young mean even fewer young families; they will put off marrying or children because they simply won't be able to afford to feed, clothe and provide for their own children.
What essentially happens is a collapse of the social structure and culture. You enter a time of 'dark ages'. Any form of upheaval, say poor harvests due to drought or early winter, cannot be met. Google the documentary "Demographic Winter" and watch it. Many of those who were interviewed were not inclined to think sustained population was necessary, but their studies changed their minds about it. We in the US will not collapse as fast as Europe, but our time will come.
Skip, Skip, first, its probably not legal and second…never mind, back to first. Hmmm, if we could pitch this to Nancy, could happen, just sayin…
Off topic, but I really do blame Nacy Pelosi's counsel for her situation; I hope he/she/it is not planning a career advising criminals.
Congrats on the Chuck renewal, break..oh, someone elses, legs. Go for it with the district. our schools have become the madrasses of the new faiths of "Giah' and Olinsky, enforced by the new Cheka and SS. They must lose or the new dark ages will be upon us.
Do you mean ANOTHER career for Pelosi advising criminals, in lieu of her current one?
There's a whole book about the trouble with textbooks, called…"The Trouble With Textbooks." Pretty clever of them eh? Showing such gems as from "The World: Social Studies" the likes of statements such as: "Christianity was started by a young Palestinian named Jesus." Say what again?
So to correct, the three, that is three headed hydra of teachers unions, tenure, and crazy textbooks. I feel like the Count on Sesame Street.
Professor Ian Plimer:
If governments had read the fine print of the crucial Chapter 5 of IPCC AR4 (Humans Responsible for Climate Change), they would have realized that it is based on the opinions of just five independent scientists.
His work, interestingly enough, is endorsed by the President of the European Union. Now I understand why Al Gore is too posh to debate.
Adam – Great Article! Another reason for me to watch "Chuck"
When I was in college (a long time ago) as a Business major I was required to study economics as part of the course requirements. From my economics class I learned about the "Malthusian Population Theory" first published by the English Political Economist Thomas Malthus in 1798. It is also referred to as the "Lifeboat Theory". Professor Malthus proposed in 1798 the coming end of the world due to over population. As the reader will note it is now 2009 and we are still here. Also, please note that the "Lifeboard Theory" appears to come from Professor Malthus' idea that the weak, poor, disabled, and unproductive should be allowed to expire while the strong survive. In otherwords throw the weak out of the boat. His theory sounds amazingly similar to the babble we hear now.
Three. . . three headed hydra. . . ah ah ah.
Isn't Santa Monica the town where the the loony tunes far left commie lover tree hugger martin sheen was the Mayor??? This kind of teaching would then make sense.
RIGHT on Richb313….how funny is that??? Teachers who actually teach, and students who actually learn. Excellent! We're doomed. If the public education system doesn't "really" get fixed…OMG!!
John Casey is my new Jack Bauer! Very much enjoyed this, keep them coming. It isn't exactly new news, this
subjugation of the captured public school body to a host of fanatical propaganda disguised as educational exercise, but seeing it highlighted with a cogent and well-formed argument from a respected actor is refreshing.
Don't forget that, if everything we've learned from South Park was true, it's also a haven for the homeless population.
Excellent article Mr Baldwin. You have sent this indoctrination thing into orbit. As I was watching the video, there was a scene where this shameless, so called educator is responding to a comment or a question, I'm not sure, from Ms Abeles. He then goes on to point out to his loyal (brainwashed) students sitting nearby in the seats…To, "just ask them". They're all "well informed"( ie brainwashed). It made me so mad. Seeing him with that stupid grin on his face, being oh soooo proud of his achievements. How he has done so well in teaching his loyal flock the truth?? about ??climate change?? Anyway, I hope that this video will get this "Dangerous" individual out of the classroom, and or fired. Never to be allowed to teach..ah, I mean indoctrinate again.
BTW. I also love your acting. One of my favorites is My Bodyguard. Also, The Patriot. I know it was a villainous role, but man, you played so well, I HATED YOU!!! That's how I can say you were great in it. Anyone can play a good guy. But to play an evil, bad person, that takes work and talent. Once again, Thank You for wonderful article. I will pass this on to everyone I know. Can't wait for next blog.
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LOL , Great Firefly Reference.
No, for her lawyer, in her case, she can't pass the bars in Napa. When she thinks "practice". she doesn't have the same definition you would. Her current career is not exactlly earned; more like Michelle Obamas Princeton Scholarship and University of Chicago apointments, the work of her men not her. Hey, come to think of it, Nancy does need a good lawyer but you gotta really need it.
SO it seems our little commie tree hugger has some explaining to do to the Board of SM-MUSD???? It certainly looks like to me that this person has interjected several of HIS OWN opinions to his students, yes???? And has made HUGE strides in brainwashing them, too.
BPT, the people who do AGW also have a consensus that Al Gore is smart. Scary, I would say. AGW by the 5 is also based primarily on computer modeling done by people who have equal faith in the reality of gaming, and they demand our submission to their claims to being scientists. Double scary.
I'm scared for you. I don't have any children. But I have many friends who do. And I'm very close to those kids. I personally see little bits of indoctrination that goes on. And I'm afraid of how, as a parent, can you fight that. Without your child thinking your "Crazy", and not the teacher that's filling there heads with this crap. Although I'm very close to there kids, I'm NOT the parent. So I can't intervene, without there parents knowing about it. And some of my friends are either bleeding hearts, or just don't have the time or the energy to sit there and explain to there children the right from wrong.
Yeah good move…. OH! BTW…Set the controls for the of the Heart of the Sun…Great tune.
"Here in liberty and freedom loving America, there is very little interest in having the government tell us how to run our lives. Telling us how many children we are allowed to have would definitely fall into that category."
Plus, it wouldn't work.
No, if you WERE going to do something like that, you'd need to do it through the culture long-term: De-romanticize the concepts of large-families and child-rearing in general, de-stigmatize abortion and/or childlessness. I mean, no one is well-organized and connected to actually pull it off on a worldwide scale, but it'd work on paper.
OR you could just invert the current welfare laws and pay the poor NOT to have children. That'd work, too.
Another great column Mr. Baldwin. The extensive use of citations is really above & beyond.
Looking over the list.. there was something in there that was bugging me.. and I think I finally figured out what it was…
"We believe acceptance, appreciation of and connection with the diversity of students and families in SMMUSD are essential for effective teaching and learning."
America was renown for being a melting-pot of cultures, not a mulit-culture gathering… I'm just getting the feeling that one right there is a dangerous option on the list. Everything else I see in there I can see as a welcome belief.
I visited Germany before the wall fell. During what would have been traditional school hours for those of us in the U.S., German kids were sprawled out on the steps in front of a cathedral. They were chatting or playing the guitar, but none seemed to have a book in hand, or were discussing the architecture of the cathedral. Not to be "I, Jerk", and assign a label to the youngsters inappropriately, (LOL!), but this scene was one repeated at almost every place we went where there were large public gatherings. And no, it was not a national holiday either. I kept thinking about the youth over the wall, and reflected on how much they would love to take advantage of studying with a purpose, and not some mandated, communistic enforced education.
This past March we went to Italy. A little over twenty years later, the Italian youth I discovered were doing the exact same thing! They had that glazed over look, roamed aimlessly with no purpose, and we were told to watch out for these groups because some might have sticky fingers when it came to our dangling purses and backpacks. "This is your brain. This is your brain on socialism. It can kill. Just say "NO!" to socialism." To parody those frying pan and egg commercials about drugs.
On the flight home, while listening to my husband snore like Godzilla, I wondered which was worse; our mandating the yutes to horrendous educations such as the ones discussed here, or the wandering, aimless, skulls full of mush I saw in Europe?
Recently, we finally watched "The Lives of Others". I am afraid this East German story is the future for every single American, but without the observer having any change of heart. The extended arm of AmeriCorp Obama has created is very much like what your mother encountered in East Germany. The articles in the local high school newspaper underscores the work many of us must begin, and soon if we have any hope of winning the hearts and minds of American youth.
The 3 R's are totally different these days aren't they?
I cannot help noticing that Abeles has the facial expressions and body language of a child.
Aw, you didn't try to convince him that "the majority of credible scientists say" gravity is an illusion, grizzly bears are gentle creatures who want to cuddle or similar?
Thank-you Adam. Presenting any Scientific theory as fact is inappropriate. The person concerned can argue their case with graphs, flow charts and evidence, but other points of view [with corresponding evidence] should be presented.
I still think we should invest heavily in renewable energy systems, for instance. Petrol and gas aren't infinite resources [unless you can prove me wrong, LOL].
Present all the sides of the argument, have a debating society and let the students make up their own minds. This goes for religion, climate change, contraception, abortion, politics, etc, etc.
As someone once wrote [GG], 'Follow the money'. There's potential taxes and incentives in loads of $$$ behind the pro and anti 'climate change' positions, as far as I can see. [Again, feel free to provide evidence otherwise].
All the best & blessings,
Philippa [U.K]
Thank-you Adam. Presenting any Scientific theory as fact is inappropriate. The person concerned can argue their case with graphs, flow charts and evidence, but other points of view [with corresponding evidence] should be presented.
I still think we should invest heavily in renewable energy systems, for instance. Petrol and gas aren't infinite resources [unless you can prove me wrong, LOL].
Present all the sides of the argument, have a debating society and let the students make up their own minds. This goes for religion, climate change, contraception, abortion, politics, etc, etc.
As someone once wrote [GG], 'Follow the money'. There's potential taxes and incentives in loads of $$$ behind the pro and anti 'climate change' positions, as far as I can see. [Again, feel free to provide evidence otherwise].
All the best & blessings,
Philippa [U.K]
Even if you take global warming out of the equation, there is still a very strong argument for reducing the earth's population. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/cheap-f...
And this is not just a problem for other countries. While the US population is not growing as much as other countries, we still use a disproportionate amount of the earth's resources. Globally it comes down to this… too many people not enough resources.
Also… climate change deniers beware… This article is not refuting climate change, it is saying that there is (at least some) dissent among scientist. That is good. That is all part of the scientific process. But if you jump to the conclusion that the climate change is some kind of elaborate hoax, because of this… then you're looking through your ideology-colored glasses. You're committing the same mistake that this teacher is doing
Even if you take global warming out of the equation, there is still a very strong argument for reducing the earth's population. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/cheap-f...
And this is not just a problem for other countries. While the US population is not growing as much as other countries, we still use a disproportionate amount of the earth's resources. Globally it comes down to this… too many people not enough resources.
Also… climate change deniers beware… This article is not refuting climate change, it is saying that there is (at least some) dissent among scientist. That is good. That is all part of the scientific process. But if you jump to the conclusion that the climate change is some kind of elaborate hoax, because of this… then you're looking through your ideology-colored glasses. You're committing the same mistake that this teacher is doing
Very happy Chuck got renewed. My favorite show currently on TV. Congrats!
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I don't agree with the contrary opinions on global warming, but I can firmly agree with Mr. Baldwin on this– children should be provided with both sides of a debate. And there is a debate, even if the opposition on the global warming issue is in the minority. Even if it's so little as acknowledging that "there are people who disagree and their opinion is XYZ, based on some scientific studies they've conducted," the fact remains– children should be taught to think critically, and to be given the information that allows them to go home and ask their parent(s) more questions. In the case of matters involving scientific debate, information should come from peer-reviewed sources whenever possible. In matters of public debate, multiple sources of media should be included, since each outlet has their own bias and children should be allowed to decide– are they an NYT, WaPo, LAT, WSJ, Fox, NPR, CNN etc. fan. One of the purposes of education is to expose children to the span of information resources– artificially limiting their exposure, and failing to inculcate the Rikki-Tikki-Tavi mindset ("Run and find out!) is not just a disservice. It's counter to real and unbiased educational principles.
I'm an unrepentant, practically socialist liberal, but I spent a fair share of my time in college and law school siding with the libertarians and republicans in my politics and economics classes just for the sake of debate. Not only is unanimity likely to devolve into unquestioning acceptance, it's also just boring. It sounds like Mr. Kay has forgotten what should be taught in every school's Civics class. Civil and informed debate is the foundation of this country. Perhaps he should re-read the Federalist Papers.
Kudos to Mr. Baldwin for an articulate, restrained, and thought-provoking post written in the real spirit of civics.
Get 'em Adam! So glad to see/read your politcal views again. Miss you terribly from 'you know where'. Hope to talk you to again soon. Keep up the great work! God Bless. Suzi/Saxon. *oh, Jessi graduates tonight, IF her English teacher passes her on her 'against the current' paper on 'white racial' issues. (yep, English class).
Hey, well to be honest i completely disagree with your argument. I have been friends with your daughter and she also had a great care for the enviorment. Global Climate Change is real, stated by scientific fact. I dont really even think that it is ethical to bash a very good teacher and scientist on this fact or even the district. People need to understand that we have the right to choose their beliefs just like religion etc. Mr.Kay has been very positive twords these students and with the homework assignments, if a student would have a problem with the way he would be teaching, they would tell him. So far ABSOLUTLEY NO STUDENTS have complained about his teaching meathods. Plus the extra credit oppertunities are OPTIONAL these students do not need to attend these, they are by choice, no student is forced to do anything they dont want to do.
>>> "Global Climate Change is real, stated by scientific fact." <<<
"Theories can be devastated by facts but they can never be proved to be correct by facts." — Thomas Sowell
http://tinyurl.com/on9vp8
>>> "I dont really even think that it is ethical to bash a very good teacher and scientist on this fact or even the district." <<<
CA Ed Code/SM-MUSD policy & regulations, not to mention Mr. Kay's own union contract strictly forbid his controversial sectarian political activities.
Kristin Byrnes bashes Kay. Ask him why he hasn't invited skeptics like her to speak to your class.
>>> "People need to understand that we have the right to choose their beliefs just like religion etc." <<<
Mr. Kay does not have the right or authority to exploit his public school classroom as a headquarter for his personal pet political causes.
>>> "if a student would have a problem with the way he would be teaching, they would tell him." <<<
It isn't up to the student to tell him, it is up to him to act in a professional and ethical manner within the parameters of his job as a public science teacher.
>>> "So far ABSOLUTLEY NO STUDENTS have complained about his teaching meathods." <<<
How do you know that?
>>> "Plus the extra credit oppertunities are OPTIONAL these students do not need to attend these, they are by choice, no student is forced to do anything they dont want to do." <<<
The "FUEL" film assignment was not optional.
Appreciation,
My mother was a public school science teacher for 30 years. She always said her job was, "to teach kids how to think, not what to think."
>>> "science teachers who are just following their conscience, trying to do the right thing." <<<
And… there it is.
Tango Yankee G.G.!
Here's a fun link that can be found down around comment # 135:
Big Hollwood? Bad Hollywood! Bad Blog!
By "Good Old Neon"
5/21/09
"Recently I came across a blog post by Adam Baldwin (actor in the awesome, now defunct show Firefly) on the Big Hollywood blog.."
http://goodoldneon.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/big-h...
Whats the worst that happened by us watching a few clips about making the world greener for future generations? Oh no, we're helping clean up the world–call the police.
1.) Violation of CA Ed Code (law), SM-MUSD policy/regulations & SM-MCTA's contract.
2.) Unprofessional ethical conduct violations.
3.) Insubordination by an employee.
4.) Intolerance of varying viewpoints – antithetical to objective scientific inquiry.
To name just 4.
how is learning how to clean up the world against school policy. answer the question, is cleaning up this world really that bad? If he teaches us about global warming and it proves to be false, yet we still do "solve" the solution, is it really that bad? We're cleaning up the world for the future, whats so bad bout' that?
Read the CA Ed Code, SM-MUSD policy/regulations & SM-MCTA contract (linked in article) and you should see how Mr. Kay's one-sided handling of such highly controversial political are in non-compliance.
"highly controversial political 'issues'…"
if 97% of scientist agree that it exist how does that make it controversial. Sounds like an almost proven fact to me. Also he's not teaching us any of his views, hes teaching us the science behind it, that's all.
"The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself." — Winston Churchill
Mr. Kay betrays himself with his 'teaching', "the people who are backing the skepticism about global climate change are all funded by the petro-chemical industry.”
Is Kristin Byrnes backed by the petro-chemical industry?
He has not objectively, as he is required, taught his class the science behind the skepticism, such as:
http://tinyurl.com/5n2rg6
http://www.sepp.org/publications/NIPCC-Feb%2020.p...
Call him on it…
I'm sure that video was clipped to leave out important bits… just saying.
We're all guilty of a little propaganda, aren't we Mr. Baldwin
That's why it's called Global Climate Change.
Because South Park is a great source of non-bias information.
Wow so many idiots jumping to conclusions about stuff they don't know this is what truly saddens me. "enviro-nazi"?!?! what a thing to say. So now caring about the environment is a bad thing, where does it say that marine animals dieing from pollution and plastic is not a part of marine biology the study of ocean life and if Mr. Kay wishes to be the coach on a team for saving the environment so be it. World population is a major concern for global warming being that more people consume more. I would love to see the birth/DEATH rates on those third world countries because we all know they get great medical care over there. So what if my ideas are a little scattered and not as eloquent as I would like to make them but I don't have a lot of time to waste on morons like your selves. With that I leave you to continue your nonsensical chatter.
And for those who think that Mr. kay is filling his students heads with propaganda and that there needs to be a two sided debate look at this blog here surreptitiously spreading these lies without the other side of the story and not confronting kay or his students directly here is a very rice rebuttal: http://goodoldneon.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/big-h... BAD HOLLYWOOD AND VERY BAD BLOG!
So is it a bad thing if i like to do beach clean ups and have a teacher give me the oppertunity to do it?
And i dont think its Mr.Kays choice to have someone come and speak to our school, thats up to the principal. Since you keep offending this school then why would they want someone to come and speak??
I think your being a hipocrate and not showing the other side to global climate change just as you say this teacher has done.
Which is more offensive:
A teacher that is non-compliant with Ed Code/Policy/contract in abusing his authority and employment?
Or,
The messenger calling him on it?
Is the best "solution", in this case, to stifle the free speech of those with varying/opposing viewpoints?
Mr. Kay can get approval from Dr. Pedroza for guest skeptics. He does need to ask.
Its good to know that you can use Wikipedia, but defining a word doesn't make for a good defense. In fact, I'd like to know what your credentials are? Are you a scientist? Do you do field research? Besides pulling the same quote out over and over… do you have any real information to back your cause? You keep talking about hearing both sides. So lets hear it.
I'm sure if any student (or parent) had/has a problem with assigned work… the best thing to do would be to talk to the teacher about it. Not post a blog trying to defame the teachers good name. In high school I didn't participate in a frog dissection because of personal beliefs. I explained it to my teacher and he gave me another assignment.
Just because you don't see your impact, doesn't mean you're not making one.
Case: Pacific Gyre 'Garbage Patch'
http://lowcarbonhome.info/wp-content/uploads/2008...
Sounds a little like the story of Noah too.
For the last few posters, I can't speak for AB or others here who agree with him, but I see the point of the story being that the teacher is 1) teaching something with a deliberate political slant to it and 2) not providing the other point of view. For me, I would be alright (hypothetically as a student) with the discussion of both sides were presented. But, if only one side were presented, I would call it bias, and chalk it up to one person (or a small/big group's) opinion that they want me to hear. In terms of the environmentalism thoughts popping up here, in general I don't think people who don't buy the 'global warming/climate change' theory want folks to give up on the world. If we cause the environment some sort of grief with an oil spill, or localized air pollution, we should clean it up. I think folks are taking the non-believers as non-doers in terms of taking care of the world around us. I recycle, don't use much electricity and do what I can to help the area around me.
By the way AB, I appreciate the article as you've hit alot of points I try to convey in my discussions revolving around education, the environment, etc. Wondering if you can offer advice (other than 'Run!') to someone who's dating a 'believer'. I don't want to necessarily sway him from his opinion, but offer him a better understanding of why I don't believe we're impacting the world around us in the way that's being communicated (via news, journals, shows). It worries me that among those I talk to, global warming has hit a fever pitch of doomsday-like quality.
Avoid politics with your loved ones if it becomes an emotional issue for them. Talk about other things.
But if you must,
Show this picture for perspective:
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/Sun_Earth-t...
Who doesn't agree that localized conservation and local pollution standards are a good idea?
But the man-caused global thingy?
Does it make sense when you view earth from space:
http://www.nasastockphotos.com/images/07010101192...
See also:
Environmentalism As Religion
By Michael Crichton
September 15, 2003
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-environme...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9OSxTy1aU
Please don't presume that attempts to talk/work with the teacher privately haven't been made.
Read the CA Ed Code, Board policy & regulations and teacher union contract referenced.
They are helpful.
you've selectively left out the part where 97% of climatologist DO believe global warming is caused by man.
probably because it leaves you with little ground to stand on. that's understandable.
First of all you need to prove that the teacher is non-compliance, which you haven't done.
The teacher is giving the overwhelmingly predominant view of science. regardless of the teacher's views, he would still be required to teach it, because this is what the experts are saying.
have you ever seen an atom? No? Don't feel bad. Neither has any other science teacher in the world. Does that mean that science teachers should question the predominant view of science that atoms exist?
Do you believe in atoms even though you've never seen one? even though the only way you know what they are is because scientists told you?
You accept the expert's view that atoms exists, but deny the expert's view that global warming exists. Why is that? You don't have proof for or against either one of those things.
You have a problem with global warming because you don't want to believe. You don't want to deal with the consequences. The existence of atoms do not pose such a problem.
>>> "You have a problem with global warming because you don't want to believe." <<<
No, I have a problem with unprofessional proseltyzing and inculcation of teachers' personal belief systems as 'science', especially in the public schools.
I would have no less a problem with a one-sided creationist proseltyzing in a public school science classroom.
Skepticism is a good thing. Varying viewpoints are a good thing.
Unity is overrated… 'Speak truth to power', as it were.
Thank you for your opinions.
Thank you so much for the link to Michael Crichton's speech, essays etc. He is as thoughtful a man as you are ,with valuable things to say and talented ways to speak and write his philosophy. I am so sorry he had to die so young but so grateful for all the intelligent and talented work he gave us!
SERRA
That's the same reason he selectively left out the teachers long list of credentials.
Yet you continue to blatantly ignore a simple question?
>>I'd like to know what your credentials are? Are you a scientist? Do you do field research? Besides pulling the same quote out over and over… do you have any real information to back your cause? You keep talking about hearing both sides. So lets hear it.>>
How have you tried to work with the teacher? I'm interested to know. How do your children feel about this?
A man who believe this issue should be a fair debate is advising people not to talk about it with its supporters? Seems a little backwards to me?
Does not your "simple question" hoist any/all un-credentialed questioner on his/her own petard? That does not, it seems to me, promote discussion.
Here are some more helpful resources:
This report demonstrates that the idea that CO2 could trap infrared radiation in the atmosphere and change the global climate is mathematically false because the laws of physics (not the theories of physics) don’t work the way the IPCC claims:
Greenhouse effect in semi-transparent planetary atmospheres
By Ferenc M. Miskolczi
January–March 2007
http://met.hu/doc/idojaras/vol111001_01.pdf
Here's a summary of the report:
http://www.dailytech.com/Researcher%20Basic%20Gre...
****
A compendium of data showing that CO2 levels have no tie to global temperatures, and that both (temp and CO2 levels) or not behaving as the IPCC models predicted, which means the models are flawed (not that reality is flawed), compiled at the Science and Public Policy Institute:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/...
****
Anthony Watt’s long awaited assessment on the source of the global warming data, which is hundreds of temperature sensors across the country, 90% of which fail the standards set down by the Federal Government defining a valid temperature source:
http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wbz/wbz/2009/m...
As a retired public school science teacher ( 25 years@ grades 5-9 near Chicago) I am dismayed, no horrified, to see two people who call themselves educators ( Kay and Abeles) so out of touch with what education can mean when done properly!
First of all, appearance DOES matter – maugre what is in "style", dress like a professional, not in jeans or with shirt hanging out and pony tail dangling messily. And please,missy, do stop flapping your hands as if they were duck wings, composure indicates confidence and knowledge of your topic. Oh, I know, I know, do not judge a book by its cover etcetc, but…..remember teachers set an example, are ( or can be) role models for their class members.
Critical thinking skills in 5th grade and up can be nurtured and is most impressive indeed. Show BOTH sides of a concept, encourage discussion, give supporting evidence, do lots of research ( in books too, please!) and experimenting ( especially hands-on labs) and students flourish.
Public school education CAN BE FANTASTIC~~~ Parents and teachers are responsible for SO much!
Has Mr. Kay shown this to his students:
The Great Global Warming Swindle:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=288952680...
You're not promoting discussion… in fact you just stated you believe the exact opposite.
<<<<Avoid politics with your loved ones if it becomes an emotional issue for them. Talk about other things. >>>>>
…and my simple question is to find out about more about a person who would chastise a science teacher for teaching science? Were you aware that this will soon be part of the cariculum? That universities are offering it as a major course of study? & your beloved Ed rules and regulations will back it?
Do you also 'debate' history teachers for displaying the holocaust from only one angle? Should we teach our kids that the Nazi's weren't really bad guys, they were just thought they were making the world better? There are skeptics in that field of study too.
<<Opinions expressed are solely those of the authors.
Nothing in this report should be construed as reflecting the views of
the Science and Environmental Policy Project or The Heartland Institute,
or as an attempt to influence pending legislation.>>
So are we just calling this fiction?
You're right, we should have never told them we were having an election either. Or that Barack won. Or that you shouldn't beat up a person because they're different. Or that peeing the hallway is unacceptable. Or raping women/men is not allowed. Home school, that's the way to keep em safe and just like you.
What kind of people would we raise if no one ever talked about anything controversial. Everything is controversial to someone. Maybe this just isn't the school for your kids. I wonder what school would ever make you happy though?
>>> "You're not promoting discussion…" <<<
Respectfully, 176 comments would tend to indicate otherwise.
>>> "my simple question… do you have any real information to back your cause?" <<<
Please define "real information".
The "cause" of this discussion is, thankfully, to promote the encouragement of the SM-MUSD administration to enforce Ed Code, its own Board policies/regulations and collective bargaining agreement with the SM-MCTA in order to ensure appropriate, objective, scholarly and scientific/skeptical debate of controversial political/religious issues in their public school classrooms.
So, in answer to your question: yes. (see links)
Godwin's Law shall overrule the ridiculous non sequitur "Nazi" straw man.
Thank you for your opinions.
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Yet another reason I'm glad that we opted to homeschool. (btw, i'm a former teacher, my husband has been one for 17 years, and as a result of our experiences here in the city of Chicago, we won't put our own kids into the school system)
FOOD FOR THOUGHT. The world is getting pretty crowded and populations biggest problem is that the RESPONSIBLE people have as many children as they want or can provide for and the The irresponsible are having more children. I don't really want any more children because of all of the problems i have had with the school in my area. Home schooling is the best and now they are attacking us from all sides to stop us from schooling positive self thinking individuals like Mr Baldwin. They want people like Mr Baldwin, and other conservatives, to have less children, but, they also want to tip the population in their favor. We don't need 12 kids to help farm anymore, we just need to be free to choose and responsible enough to not have kids if we can't feed them, clothe them, or provide them health care and a safe place to live.
sort of…. where i was going.
>>> No, I have a problem with unprofessional proseltyzing and inculcation of teachers' personal belief systems as 'science', <<<
but that's what I'm telling you…. it IS science. Global warming is the consensus of scientists today. This is what the experts are telling us. Even if the teacher did not agree with it, he would still have to teach it.
>>> Skepticism is a good thing. Varying viewpoints are a good thing. <<<
I'm not arguing against that. Don't turn this into that.
Consider it this way… What if you were teaching a class on acting. ok? this is a topic that you know. Now, what if I (not an actor or film maker, not a performer of any type) started protesting your teachings and demanded that you accept my perspective on acting? Are you saying that you would now be required to teach my belief next to your tried and experienced methods?
doesn't that sound silly? I don't know jack about acting, so why should you (or your acting students) listen to me? Skepticism is a good thing, but only if that skepticism is well informed.
There is no debate on science or climate change — it's been over for a long time. Read some science. And population control will happen naturally — billions will die when governments do nothing about climate change. Population control will be "all natural". Happy?
Sustainability is not a political word either. it's just climate change lingo, which I'm sure the writer here knows. Environmentalists know what it means. This is just more typical right-wing nitpicking.
Adam, you've rocked my socks since Animal Mother. lol@ 1:24 — "How many of you think that we are the cause of climate change — it's okay I mean there is no wrong answer"
Great post, Adam. I have to take issue with Kay's assertion that 99% of all scientists have jumped on the human-caused climate change bandwagon. In my office of meteorologists and engineers, the vast majority remain neutral, with a few who are strongly on either side of the issue. I personally welcome real data on the subject from curious, impartial scientists (not politicians!) such as myself who are open to whatever all the data reveals, but it seems that many scientists have fallen into the trap of advocacy (one way or another). When respected senior scientists engage in nasty arguments on the subject, complete with name-calling, I have to doubt their objectivity.
>>> "There is no debate on science or climate change — it's been over for a long time. Read some science." <<<
"No debate on science" is an utterly anti-intellectual/unscientific/closed-minded/faith-based/politically motivated approach. Read some Copernicus and Keppler.
>>> "population control will happen naturally — billions will die when governments do nothing about climate change. Population control will be "all natural". Happy?" <<<
Not as self-congratulatingly "happy", apparently, as some do-gooders are with the misery their "save the planet" greenism wreaks upon poor people who need fuel for their cars; electricity for their refrigerators and air conditioning.
>>> "Sustainability is not a political word either." <<<
Of course it is. It was created by the UN's Brundtland report… look it up.
>>> "This is just more typical right-wing nitpicking." <<<
Spoken like a true believer left-wing nitpicker.
Ok, I was curious. I followed. Good article, and solidifies my arguments entirely. The indoctrination of our children is more pervasive than most would ever imagine. Even if the children are schooled in the public. Parents have got to be involved. I won’t get into the kook science. Maybe another day and another post. Thanks.
>>> "Global warming is the consensus of scientists today." <<<
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." — George S. Patton
Consensus = politics, *not* science.
>>> "Even if the teacher did not agree with it, he would still have to teach it." <<<
Agreed. So, why shouldn't Mr. Kay be required to teach varying viewpoints to his "AGW" faith?
Mr. Kay is not only professionally required by scientific ethics to remain skeptical and objective about new evidence in matters scientific – he is required by Education Code (state law), District policy/regulations *and* his own union contract to provide, in an objective manner, varying viewpoints.
He has violated Ed Code and policy by exploiting his classroom as a headquarter for for his own (pet) partisan/sectarian political campaigns. That is a fact.
What does population control have to do with the teaching in public school of marine biology?
You wrote:
>>> "science teachers who are just following their conscience, trying to do the right thing." <<<
That approach is neither scientific, nor compliant with Code, etc.
He is entitled to his opinion, of course, but he does not have unfettered free speech in the classroom to propagate it as scientific law.
>>> "Skepticism is a good thing, but only if that skepticism is well informed." <<<
Ideally, yes.
However, "well-informed" is all-too-often in the eye of the beholder. Present the facts objectively, and let the students decide on their own.
Which of the scholar-skeptics I've linked to should be subjectively disqualified from presentation to science students, and why?
Thanks again for your opinions.
I like to sing about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc_eM027rQc
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Thanks much Adam. I'll give those a try, should the topic arise again. Stay shiny!
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Bravo! Thanks for being involved in your community and local schools! This debate is NOT over.
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Bravo Adam! What a well written blog. Finally somebody is going after these money grubbing, selfish teachers and their non-profit organization cohorts. They've had it too good for too long. What are they thinking? Trying to raise awareness about scientific issues, who needs that. You should feel proud of your deep detective work and insightful commentary by uncovering a gem like this one. Thankfully we've all been enlightened by this conspiracy of a teacher "planting the intolerant seed in the students’ captivated young minds". How dare a teacher use their position to indoctrinate kids by teaching the scientific consensus? How dare a teacher offer extra credit for attending lectures at the Aquarium? I wish I had the time, like you, to go after these important issues like this one.
By the way the way, I love your TV shows. Now you are really making a difference in this world (unlike those self-serving, do-gooders you criticize)!
Suggestion….spend your time doing something that might actually contribute to society (not that the show Chuck hasn't made the world a better place) instead of attacking teachers. Like how about teaching for a career?
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